[pct-l] Weather considerations anytime/ a must read
Bryan Glovetsky
glovetsky at live.com
Mon Aug 23 11:15:25 CDT 2010
For crying out loud, I wasn't trying to start a brawl. If you hike responsibly and lightly and you make it through adverse conditions on the trail, then I'm obviously not talking to you, right? But I've seen people who are indeed ill-prepared because they're hiking with a pack not fit for a day-hike. People whose only "shelter" is a space-blanket, People who have no basic first aid supplies, etc. And under good conditions they may do well on the trail, but if anything unexpected comes up they're screwed. THAT is irresponsible.
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> 2. Re: Weather considerations anytime/ a must read (Mary Clements)
> 3. Re: Warning to SPOT users who don't want to renew
> (Jim Keener ( J J ))
> 4. Re: PCT Completion (Tortoise)
> 5. Re: Thru-hiker, through hiker, thru hiker (Nathan Miller)
> 6. Re: Warning to SPOT users who don't want to renew
> (Austin Williams)
> 7. Re: Jester's new PCT film - "Wizards of the PCT" (Austin Williams)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:21:24 -0500
> From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather considerations anytime/ a must read
> To: "'Peter Shaw '" <shawonpct at msn.com>, "'Diane Soini of Santa
> Barbara Hikes '" <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I too had dismal results with Esbit tablets - I even doused them in alcohol
> and they wouldn't light. I think you are correct in your assessment that
> they may have been old. I'm not condemning Esbit tablets but be sure they
> are fresh.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Peter Shaw
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:14 AM
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes ; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather considerations anytime/ a must read
>
> Regarding your comments on Esbit, I think your Esbit tablets must have aged
> and degraded for them to be that hard to light. I used Esbit every day last
> year on my thru hike and one lighter was more than enough for the complete
> trip. Some days I had three hot meals. The only time I found the Esbit
> tablets were difficult to light was when I couldn't shelter them from strong
> wind. For those few occasions I carried a very small bottle of alcohol and a
> small squirt was always enough to light them instantly. The alcohol bottle
> (maybe 2 ozs when I started) was 3/4 full when I finished. I have four
> different stoves (Esbit, alcohol, white gas and isobutane) and the Esbit
> would be my first choice for any long hike.
>
> Peanut Eater
> Sent via BlackBerry from Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:52:51
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather considerations anytime/ a must read
>
> These are the statements that equate lightweight backpacking with?
> being ill-prepared, uncomfortable and cold, or mistake it for not?
> bringing any gear at all. There are older topics where it's been?
> asserted that you'll be colder with a lighter bag and less?
> comfortable without whatever other stuff.
>
> On Aug 21, 2010, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > bring suitable
> > gear and clothing to get you through comfortably, warm, and dry.?
> > Yes, your
> > pack will be heavier, but you can rest assured (peace of mind) that?
> > you'll
> > be ready.
> >
> > ...
>
> > how much comfort or safety they were willing to sacrifice
> > to achieve that pack weight.
> >
> > ...
> > Going without isn't what we would call "common sense."
>
>
> On my last trip I brought my 20 degree bag, foam pad, a down jacket,?
> a wind-breaker, rain chaps, umbrella, polypro tights, two shelters?
> (one for bugs, one for rain and privacy), a bear canister, enough?
> food for 6 days, a pot, cozy and spoon, a change of clothing for?
> after the hike, toiletries to clean up during and after the hike,?
> extra socks, two warm hats and one sun hat, two musical?
> instruments...the works. My pack fully loaded was 19lbs including the?
> food. I was not cold, hungry or uncomfortable and was not lacking in?
> proper equipment with the exception of matches. (I didn't remember?
> esbits being so difficult to light, won't use them again.)
>
> Because my pack was light, I was able to cover a lot of ground each?
> day in comfort, I never rest-stepped up the passes, I just walked?
> normally like a day hike. It was wonderful. I also had enough energy?
> to walk over to VVR and buy some lighters and enjoy a burger and beer.
>
> Used up one whole lighter to light two esbits. I'm sticking to alcohol.
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> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:56:19 -0700
> From: Mary Clements <mhclements at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather considerations anytime/ a must read
> To: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>, 'Peter Shaw '
> <shawonpct at msn.com>, 'Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes '
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I don't know how "old is old" for Esbit tablets but I now use a whisp of
> cotton saturated with vaseline(my emergency fire starters) to get the
> tablets started - success every time.
>
>
>
> on 8/22/10 11:21 AM, Ron Dye at chiefcowboy at verizon.net wrote:
>
> > I too had dismal results with Esbit tablets - I even doused them in alcohol
> > and they wouldn't light. I think you are correct in your assessment that
> > they may have been old. I'm not condemning Esbit tablets but be sure they
> > are fresh.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Peter Shaw
> > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:14 AM
> > To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes ; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather considerations anytime/ a must read
> >
> > Regarding your comments on Esbit, I think your Esbit tablets must have aged
> > and degraded for them to be that hard to light. I used Esbit every day last
> > year on my thru hike and one lighter was more than enough for the complete
> > trip. Some days I had three hot meals. The only time I found the Esbit
> > tablets were difficult to light was when I couldn't shelter them from strong
> > wind. For those few occasions I carried a very small bottle of alcohol and a
> > small squirt was always enough to light them instantly. The alcohol bottle
> > (maybe 2 ozs when I started) was 3/4 full when I finished. I have four
> > different stoves (Esbit, alcohol, white gas and isobutane) and the Esbit
> > would be my first choice for any long hike.
> >
> > Peanut Eater
> > Sent via BlackBerry from Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:52:51
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather considerations anytime/ a must read
> >
> > These are the statements that equate lightweight backpacking with?
> > being ill-prepared, uncomfortable and cold, or mistake it for not?
> > bringing any gear at all. There are older topics where it's been?
> > asserted that you'll be colder with a lighter bag and less?
> > comfortable without whatever other stuff.
> >
> > On Aug 21, 2010, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> >> bring suitable
> >> gear and clothing to get you through comfortably, warm, and dry.?
> >> Yes, your
> >> pack will be heavier, but you can rest assured (peace of mind) that?
> >> you'll
> >> be ready.
> >>
> >> ...
> >
> >> how much comfort or safety they were willing to sacrifice
> >> to achieve that pack weight.
> >>
> >> ...
> >> Going without isn't what we would call "common sense."
> >
> >
> > On my last trip I brought my 20 degree bag, foam pad, a down jacket,?
> > a wind-breaker, rain chaps, umbrella, polypro tights, two shelters?
> > (one for bugs, one for rain and privacy), a bear canister, enough?
> > food for 6 days, a pot, cozy and spoon, a change of clothing for?
> > after the hike, toiletries to clean up during and after the hike,?
> > extra socks, two warm hats and one sun hat, two musical?
> > instruments...the works. My pack fully loaded was 19lbs including the?
> > food. I was not cold, hungry or uncomfortable and was not lacking in?
> > proper equipment with the exception of matches. (I didn't remember?
> > esbits being so difficult to light, won't use them again.)
> >
> > Because my pack was light, I was able to cover a lot of ground each?
> > day in comfort, I never rest-stepped up the passes, I just walked?
> > normally like a day hike. It was wonderful. I also had enough energy?
> > to walk over to VVR and buy some lighters and enjoy a burger and beer.
> >
> > Used up one whole lighter to light two esbits. I'm sticking to alcohol.
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> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:34:45 -0700
> From: "Jim Keener ( J J )" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warning to SPOT users who don't want to renew
> To: Stewart Johns <stewfjohns at att.net>
> Cc: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <B5B3C728-67A1-4989-8EBF-5DF864FA5871 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
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> Jeesh indeed. Surely you read all the terms and conditions for any product or service you buy. Of course you no longer hike. There is no time. Automatic renewal without notification is legal, but a bottom-feeding way to do business.
>
> My favorite lines from the link you provide are: "Spot LLC reserves the right to change these terms and conditions at any time.Updates will be posted to http://www.findmespot.com."
>
>
> The solution is just as you have done: blame the consumer. And be certain to do it on a public forum. Chris was doing us a favor by letting us know about the charge, and you ridiculed him.
>
> Walk well,
> J J
>
> On Aug 22, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Stewart Johns wrote:
>
> > Cris J wrote:
> > If you do not intend to renew your subscription, you must contact them and
> > cancel. They have sneaked in an automatic renewal that they will charge you and
> > it is a whopping$162.93!!!
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > According to spots terms and conditions from their site:
> > 3.2 Renewal. All Plans automatically renew at the end of their Term for an
> > additional one (1) year Term unless you cancel by notifying SPOT as provided
> > in Section 3.4. Where required by law, Spot will provide you with advance
> > notice of the renewal of your Plan. All Service plans are pre paid plans.
> >
> > 3.4 Cancellation. To cancel your Service Plan, you must notify SPOT in
> > writing within thirty (30) days of the end of your Service Plan?s Term, or
> > within thirty (30) days of SPOT posting a change to this Agreement which you do
> > not accept. You must email your notice of cancellation to
> > customerservice at findmespot.com and provide your name, your address and the ESN
> > from the SPOT for which you want to cancel service (located in the battery
> > compartment, under the battery of your SPOT). You may call our customer service
> > center at SPOT at 1-866-OK1-SPOT (651-7768) to cancel or if you have questions.
> > You still must confirm in writing by sending an e-mail to
> > customerservice at findmespot.com.
> >
> > http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=1700&action=showEntry&data=391
> >
> > I know, you didn't read the terms and conditions right? And they are being
> > sneaky for not telling you
> >
> > upfront about the auto renewal right? Jeesh!
> >
> > Doc Holilday
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:17:08 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Completion
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <4C71BE04.5000809 at charter.net>
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>
> There is far more to being an experienced PCT hiker than doing the whole
> trail in a year or so. Each of us has his/her own circumstances to deal
> with. Having been thru crisis and lived to tell the story and offer up
> lessons learned is very important.
>
> So Steel-Eye, thanks for all your posts.
>
> Tortoise
>
> <> Because truth matters! <>
>
> On 08/21/10 09:11, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
> > Good morning, all,
> >
> > Thank you one and all for your gracious comments congratulating me ? and
> > Piper ? upon our recent completions of the PCT. As gratifying as completion
> > certainly was I apparently made a strategic error in making the
> > announcement. Through the many long years I?ve contributed, pontificated,
> > harangued, and preached in PCT-L discussions, readers may have been lead to
> > believe that I?m an experienced thru-hiker, a repeat thru-hiker, or even a
> > triple-crowner. With my recent *mea maxima culpa* that the trip required 45
> > years I must have totally blown my cover. Now the truth is out: It took me
> > 45 years to accomplish what reasonable thru-hikers achieve in 4.5 months.
> > Grim?. Mine is a rate of less than 60 miles per year; 856 feet per day. Not
> > only did I have time to ?smell the flowers?, I had sufficient time to
> > observe how fast the grass was growing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Compared to me, Piper?s average speed was simply astounding. Considering
> > that I began the hike probably before Piper was born, and she finished ?
> > slightly ? before me she?s a real piker in the slow-walk world. Regardless,
> > congratulations to Piper ? AKA ?Piper?s Mom?s Daughter? ? on her eminently
> > faster progress.
> >
> >
> >
> > Steel-Eye
> >
> > Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:22 PM, james green<jagwrightwoodpct at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Congratulations! That must be a phenomenal feeling of accomplishment! One I
> >> hope to have one day.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, CHUCK CHELIN<steeleye at wildblue.net>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Good morning, all,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am very pleased to announce that I completed my section hike of the
> >>> entire
> >>> PCT at approximately 07:30A, 10 August 2010, when I reached the
> >>> California/Oregon border northbound. This completed two portions of the
> >>> trail that had eluded me: the two fire closures from the ?08 season ? one
> >>> in
> >>> the vicinity of Quincy and Chester, and the other between Etna Summit and
> >>> the Oregon border.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The kindness of Piper?s Mom significantly facilitated my hike of the
> >>> Quincy/Chester section, both at the beginning and the end.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> With me at the Cal/Or finish line was So-Jo (Sojourner) with whom I had
> >>> hiked since Etna Summit, and who?s thoughtful and considerate nature I
> >>> came
> >>> to greatly appreciate. After the obligatory Yee-Haahs were spouted and
> >>> the
> >>> photos were snapped I backtracked to Seiad Valley to catch the bus, while
> >>> So-Jo continued her NoBo journey.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This adventure began in 1965 when, during a 20-mile hike of a section of
> >>> the
> >>> old Oregon Skyline Trail (OST) north of Crater Lake, I decided to ?
> >>> eventually -- hike its entire length. Subsequently, the OST was
> >>> officially
> >>> absorbed into the PCT so I expanded the scope of my aspirations
> >>> accordingly.
> >>> I have now hiked every mile of the official PCT at least once. A few
> >>> sections I?ve hiked only once; some major sections I?ve hiked 2-3 times;
> >>> some shorter sections nearer to home I?ve hiked literally hundreds of
> >>> times.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The scenery of the PCT is significant, but available: I can view my
> >>> photos,
> >>> I can watch the ?Class-of? DVDs, I can watch travelogues, and I can even
> >>> revisit features or sections if I wish. What is ephemeral and can?t ever
> >>> be
> >>> recaptured is the camaraderie of the fellow hikers that I encountered; the
> >>> amazing support of Trail Angels; and the help of considerate citizens whom
> >>> I
> >>> didn?t know ? and will likely never meet again. That I can't relive or
> >>> revisit. I can?t begin to repay them for the benefits I?ve received -- I
> >>> can only pass on the goodwill to hikers who follow after.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ?Life is just a collection of memories, and memories are like starlight ?
> >>> they go on forever.?
> >>>
> >>> Lyrics by John Denver
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Steel-Eye
> >>>
> >>> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> >>>
> >>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >>>
> >>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:49:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-hiker, through hiker, thru hiker
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <523118.63490.qm at web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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> I prefer through-hiker. It's spelled correctly and the hyphenation avoids suggesting that the hiker is finished.
>
> -Nate the Trail Zombie
> Newberg, OR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:17:19 -0700
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warning to SPOT users who don't want to renew
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikC2xk7CN+3MAfNvSHRzQyEFRRtJkjoNoFcYrTa at mail.gmail.com>
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> I can confirm this. They kept charging me for two years before I noticed.
> Ouch! I was able to call them back and get a refund for one of the years.
>
> I'm glad you posted this!
>
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Stewart Johns <stewfjohns at att.net> wrote:
>
> > Cris J wrote:
> > If you do not intend to renew your subscription, you must contact them and
> > cancel. They have sneaked in an automatic renewal that they will charge
> > you and
> > it is a whopping$162.93!!!
> >
> --
> Austin Williams
>
> www.PlanYourHike.com
> Info on PCT gear, resupply points, maps, movies, etc.
>
> "Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway."
> -John Wayne
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:37:07 -0700
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jester's new PCT film - "Wizards of the PCT"
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikrS+BE-LVQfaXP0giGCmh6Du=of_4qjnHaDNf3 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Awesome!
> That film looks great!
> I've added it to the online PCT library under the "movies" section:
>
> http://www.planyourhike.com/media/
>
> I look forward to watching it.
>
> Thank you!
>
> --
> Austin Williams
>
> www.PlanYourHike.com
> Info on PCT gear, resupply points, maps, movies, etc.
>
> "Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway."
> -John Wayne
>
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