[pct-l] Horse rentals
Kent Spring
kjssail at yahoo.com
Tue Jan 6 22:54:55 CST 2009
I think that what you'll get is not flack, but some of that
horse shit! Anyway - horses/horse owners are not like SUVs
or Cadillacs on the highway - I've never found them to be
arrogant, but usually friendly and interesting. You also need
to remember that what they leave on the trail is usually about
80 percent hay or grass. Cattle manure is much, much worse,
almost as bad as dogs.
Kent
>
> Okay, I know I am going to get a lot of flack for this
> and?I am sorry.? I tried not to say anything but,? I HATE
> hiking thought horse shit!? I understand that the trail is
> open to horses.? I know that a lot of trail maintenance
> crews pack equipment in and out with horses or mules but, I
> HATE hiking thought horse shit!? I also resent having to
> move off the trail when they come by.? I feel?like a poor
> present making way for the wealthy nobles.? Dare I look up
> and meet their eyes?? Ahhh, to be of such noble blood.? Oh
> well, I shall just silently bow my head and hike on through
> the horseshit.? At least it isn't dog turds.
> ?
> Amanda (Shepherd)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:56:47 -0600
> From: "Cris" <cj5w4wd at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Horse rentals
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: 'Tom Bache' <tbache at san.rr.com>
> Message-ID: <90A247A14CD049BAA8A2EE240FB3C894 at CJLC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Tom,
> I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this.
> The idea of taking on a
> "free" horse for a PCT thru hike would be
> absolute suicide, if not just
> foolish. Extensive training is necessary to make a horse
> trail worthy and
> dependable. I don't know how many miles I've
> covered in my 50 years of
> riding but I can tell you I've ridden some great mounts
> and some
> knuckleheads. Until you really know a horse you can't
> predict how it will
> respond to situations you would encounter on this trail.
> I'm sure Mendo
> Rider and others who have done it can add more. And anyone
> who would
> consider renting a horse, well, you may as well put that
> animal in the
> "free" category.
>
> Cris
> ...mountains don't tolerate fools...
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:14:36 -0800
> > From: Tom Bache <tbache at san.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Horse rentals
> > To: <maxeabbe at mac.com>
> > Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <C588ED9C.855E%tbache at san.rr.com>
> > Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >
> > I ride horses. In the last year I have purchased,
> leased, or borrowed 6
> > different horses for different purposes.
> >
> > I don?t know of any ?Hertz? per horses, but I do know
> that you can find a
> > horse to do almost anything you want to do. For
> riding the whole trail I
> > advise you to buy a horse (or two). They aren?t very
> expensive these days
> > (you can get a good horse for free or a nominal cost
> by relieving owners
> > of
> > the expense to feed them). In fact, the price of the
> horse is very small
> > compared to the price of food, transportation, and
> tack. That is, the
> > horse
> > is basically free ? the money goes elsewhere. You
> will have to figure out
> > what you will do with the horse when you are finished
> with it ? it will be
> > more difficult (but not impossible) to find an owner
> willing to take the
> > horse back when you are done. There are no rules ?
> people make whatever
> > deals they can.
> >
> > Just look on the Internet and make some calls. I live
> in San Diego, and
> > there are hundreds of horses nearby that are suitable
> for riding on the
> > trail. I hope you have a trailer, truck to pull it,
> and someone to drive
> > it around to support you. I?m hoping to ride the
> trail someday, and that
> > is
> > where you need real money!
> >
> > Tom Bache
> > San Diego
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:11:59 -0800
> > > From: Maxe Schimberg <maxeabbe at mac.com>
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Horse Rentals
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > >
> > >
> > > Is it possible to rent horses to ride the whole
> trail? And if so,
> > > where can I find information on that?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> ***************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:56:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jereen Anderson <jereenanderson at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] horse rentals consider a burro
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <118669.28836.qm at web58603.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> To: Maxe? From: Ed Anderson
> You got excellent advice from Tom, Carolyn, and Donna. I
> really have nothing to add because I do not know what
> experience you might have with horses. I will say that it is
> a lot easier to hike the PCT - even if you are experienced
> with horses. Donna suggested that you consider a burro.
> That's really a good idea if you aren't already
> experienced with horses. You should have experience way
> beyound having rided rented horses in the park several times
> . . . Burros are tough,?hardy, sure-footed and strong for
> thier size. They are very versatile eaters - can find food
> where a horse can't. This assumes that you are willing
> and able to hike - you would not have to carry a pack. The
> backpackers would envy you. Squatch and Reinhold M and hiker
> 97 would really envy you. You might even inspire a new
> trend. A more realistic approach than a hiker cart - - - - -
> -
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:01:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: mark v <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fuel Canisters
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <115960.79208.qm at web53905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
>
> Canisters are available seldom enough that you'll want
> to plan out your usage and just how often you'll need
> one. In 2008, there were canisters at:
>
> Idyllwild ~mile 200
> Big Bear ~mile 350
> Vermillion Valley or Muir Trail Ranch ~mile 850
> Tuolumne Meadows store ~925
> South Lake Tahoe ~1100
> Mt. Shasta City ~1400??
> Ashland ~1600
> Bend ~1850
> Portland ~2100
>
>
> Probably a couple of other places had them, but i
> didn't need to switch out canisters all that often.
> Often there are used canisters in hiker boxes too, but the
> trick is estimating how much fuel is left in a given mystery
> canister.
>
> I did send canisters to myself in 2 places to bridge long
> distances with no availability: Kennedy Meadows (~700) and
> halfway through Washington (~2400).
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:05:02 -0500
> From: "Bob Sartini" <r.sartini at rcn.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fuel Canisters
> To: "mark v" <allemande6 at yahoo.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <8CF5D111464A467EA6159AF068F64D81 at Den>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Thank you, that is very helpful.
>
> "EVERYTHING is in walking distance,"
> ......Bamboo Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark v" <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fuel Canisters
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Canisters are available seldom enough that you'll
> want to plan out your
> > usage and just how often you'll need one. In
> 2008, there were canisters
> > at:
> >
> > Idyllwild ~mile 200
> > Big Bear ~mile 350
> > Vermillion Valley or Muir Trail Ranch ~mile 850
> > Tuolumne Meadows store ~925
> > South Lake Tahoe ~1100
> > Mt. Shasta City ~1400??
> > Ashland ~1600
> > Bend ~1850
> > Portland ~2100
> >
> >
> > Probably a couple of other places had them, but i
> didn't need to switch
> > out canisters all that often. Often there are used
> canisters in hiker
> > boxes too, but the trick is estimating how much fuel
> is left in a given
> > mystery canister.
> >
> > I did send canisters to myself in 2 places to bridge
> long distances with
> > no availability: Kennedy Meadows (~700) and halfway
> through Washington
> > (~2400).
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-l mailing list
> > Pct-l at backcountry.net
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:11:07 -0800
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Horse rentals
> To: <maxeabbe at mac.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <C23E977BA52E45B69F5545089049A769 at arewethereyePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:53:00 -0800
> From: "Carolyn Eddy" <>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Horse rentals
> To: "Tom Bache" <tbache at san.rr.com>,
> <>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <9F417CDBA6C24A8A94944CBC6B21A009 at carolynaa423d0>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I'd like to add that you should also take some basic
> lessons. Find a trainer
> who can work on helping you with balance, and how to read
> the horse and work
> through how to keep the horse and you safe and comfortable
> on the trail.
>
> A horse is not a motorcycle. They have their own ideas
> about how to do
> things and no two horses are exctly alike.
>
> I offer an 8 week program for trailriders that covers how
> to stay on, how to
> use aids to communicate with the horse, and how to spot and
> deal with afety
> issues. Unfortunately, I'm nowhere near San Diego. :-)
>
> But if you are serious about using horses I'm sure you
> will be able to find
> someone who can do this almost anywhere.
>
> "Sweet Goat Mama"
> Carolyn Eddy
> www.goattracksmagazine.com
>
> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
>
> I contacted a horseman friend of mine who states it would
> be cost prohibitive due to the usual $150/day/animal rental
> fee.
>
> are we there yet
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:26:52 -0800
> From: Halfmile <halfmile at pctmap.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fuel Canisters
> To: "mark v" <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <324d57760901061926s10f5a5c7k8c7db00786c0456c at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Also, in 2008 there were canisters at Truckee (mile 1159).
>
> In 2007 there were canisters at Mammoth Lakes (near mile
> 907) and
> Bishop if you happen to find yourself there.
>
> -Halfmile
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM, mark v
> <allemande6 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Canisters are available seldom enough that you'll
> want to plan out your usage and just how often you'll
> need one. In 2008, there were canisters at:
> >
> > Idyllwild ~mile 200
> > Big Bear ~mile 350
> > Vermillion Valley or Muir Trail Ranch ~mile 850
> > Tuolumne Meadows store ~925
> > South Lake Tahoe ~1100
> > Mt. Shasta City ~1400??
> > Ashland ~1600
> > Bend ~1850
> > Portland ~2100
> >
> >
> > Probably a couple of other places had them, but i
> didn't need to switch out canisters all that often.
> Often there are used canisters in hiker boxes too, but the
> trick is estimating how much fuel is left in a given mystery
> canister.
> >
> > I did send canisters to myself in 2 places to bridge
> long distances with no availability: Kennedy Meadows (~700)
> and halfway through Washington (~2400).
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-l mailing list
> > Pct-l at backcountry.net
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-l mailing list
> Pct-l at backcountry.net
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
>
> End of Pct-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 27
> *************************************
More information about the Pct-L
mailing list