[pct-l] dogs
Dale Combs
comebackwalking at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 17 20:28:24 CST 2009
I'm extremely allergic to dogs. I can't tell you how many sleepovers, family holiday dinners,
good parties, plus dog petting and dog love I've never been able to share.
If I get licked I get a sore that lasts 6 weeks.
So, when I'm on the dusty and there's a dog within 30 feet of me. I get as far from the trail as I can, about 10 feet, and keep saying sternly "go away, go away" and I don't stop saying it. And I don't lose eye contact. Dogs take a look at me and they know I'm for real. And they don't go anywhere near me.
Then the owners arrive and say don't worry, "all they'll do is lick you."
Then with the person and dog going away from me I say I know their dog is a good but I'm allergic and can't be licked.
Story repeats itself every time I hit the dusty.
Comby-bear
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1. Re: Hikers required to wear orange? (likely not ...)
(patti kulesz)
2. Re: Buy as you go (patti kulesz)
3. Re: Dogs on the trail (Andrea Dinsmore)
4. Re: Dogs on the trail (and thru-dogs) (montypct)
5. Re: Buy as you go (montypct)
6. Re: Buy as you go (Paul)
7. Re: Map and Guide feedback request. (Len Glassner)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:12:51 -0800 (PST)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers required to wear orange? (likely not ...)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Brian Lewis <brianle8 at gmail.com>
Message-ID: <967030.8579.qm at web54409.mail.yahoo.com>
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actually it made me think about a time I was hiking out here in the
Angeles...over at Cooper Canyon actually...and there were those darn hunters
ruining my solitude with their gunshots...I had my dog, who BTW was well behaved
and LOVED hiking and backpacking...I got him a jacket that was made for hunting
dogs so they didn't get shot...it was great for him...light weight, fleece
lining...waterproof exterior...reflective strips on both sides...brightly
colored....
patti
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Brian Lewis <brianle8 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Brian Lewis <brianle8 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Hikers required to wear orange? (likely not ...)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:35 AM
Perhaps a way to divert attention from the perennial dog topic is to raise
something else that will create some passion? (that's a joke, folks ...).
to whit:
WA state house bill 1116 - 2009-10 "Requiring visible clothing while
recreating in a mixed-use area during hunting season."???(in the state of
Washington)
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/Summary.aspx?bill=1116&year=2009
This bill is one of the responses to the 14-year-old bear hunter who killed
a hiker last year (Aug 2nd).
I don't actually bring this up to "create some passion", and in
fact I hope
that folks that are interested in the topic will read the long extant blogs
on this topic rather than opt to recreate the same discussions here.? For
existing discussion/opinions, I suggest one or more of:
http://tinyurl.com/c82z9r
http://uw.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25712
http://tinyurl.com/chgxvx???(comments follow the article)
http://www.theolympian.com/hunting/story/740933.html
More importantly, a couple of places I read suggest that there isn't much
support for the bill, and one or two places quote the bill's sponsor as
just
having brought it up "for discussion" ... (?!?)
So I don't know that it's worth getting excited about, just an FYI.?
(If
you're a WA state resident, consider writing one of your state house
representatives)
Perhaps one lesson from the incident is that hunting season can extend over
a longer time frame than one might expect --- it's not super intuitive that
any sort of hunters might be out there in early August.
There, now didn't that clear any thought of dogs on trail right out of your
head?? :-)
Brian Lewis / Gadget '08
http://postholer.com/brianle
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:15:45 -0800 (PST)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
To: montypct <montypct at gmail.com>, pct-l
<pct-l at backcountry.net>, Jim
and/or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>, Ken Powers
<ken at gottawalk.com>
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yeh Reds doesn't open til June 15th I believe but if u take the shutle up
to Mammoth there is a Von's and outfitter...all kinds of places to resupply
up there. As for Tuolumne I only need it for a few days resupply after
resupplying in Mammoth and I will always have extra bug spray so I don't
have to worry about running out...I hate them dam skeeters!
patti
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com> wrote:
From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
To: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>, "patti kulesz"
<peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, "pct-l"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Jim and/or Ginny Owen"
<spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 10:00 AM
We arrived at Reds Meadow before the store was open - twice.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
To: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>;
"pct-l"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Jim and/or Ginny Owen"
<spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
All those are good.
Tuolumne, though, runs out of things.
I'm glad I've always sent my resupply there.
At least twice they have been out of bug repellant.
Wrong place to be without.
monty
Lightweight Backpacking
The fun goes up when the weight goes down
-Warner Springs Monty
----- Original Message -----
From: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Jim and/or Ginny
Owen"
<spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
I was just at Tehachapi and Idyllwild this weekend and they are both great
towns to resupply at...Big Bear is too...I've been there several times. The
little store in Tuolumne is pretty awesome too...O and Mammoth (reds Meadow)
is a great spot as well
patti
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Jim and/or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
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From: Jim and/or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Buy as you go
To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 9:43 AM
For those of us who prefer to buy as we go, which towns along the trail
currently have decent stores and which require maildrops? There were some
good articles a few years ago about buy as you go resupply strategies, but I
haven't seen anything online recently that gives a simple list of where we
can expect to be able to resupply and where we have to mail food. I know
some of the resupply stops we used when we hiked nine years ago have
changed, so the old info isn't valid.
Ginny
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:25:12 -0800
From: Andrea Dinsmore <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dogs on the trail
To: Erik The Black <erik at eriktheblack.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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You all know where I stand on the pooches doing the whole trail. Pacha and
Nadine were at the high end of the "toughness" level. Some dogs are
no worse
for ware when they hit our place. We are 2400 miles into the trail. Some
dogs have been carried in by the owners because their back hips and legs
quit working. Some dogs have walked in on their own and refused to move out
from under the trailer for 2-3 days. Some look like a bag of bones. I can
only tell you what I see with my eyes. It is heart breaking and makes me
ill. Your best friend will follow you anywhere. Even when he's in pain and
about ready to drop. He loves you. Don't forget about him.
PCT MOM
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:47:22 -0800
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dogs on the trail (and thru-dogs)
To: "Erik The Black"
<erik at eriktheblack.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <5297600CB85D4E228B9EB431D1E6200B at Monty>
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Andy (and all)
Patcha in 2007 was a good dog. So was Buddy in 2005 and Hank in 2008. None
felt the need to "Protect" or be the least bit aggressive toward
approaching
hikers. These dogs were thru-hikers just like the rest of us. They were
very loved and part of the hiking community. I have never met an aggressive
thru-hiker dog.
All the dog owners of the dog problems I have had have been non thru-hikers,
day hikers and non hikers. There is a much, much higher percentage of
problem dogs and problem dog owners than there are problem people on the
trail. Our fears and our experiences might be bring out responses in these
postings from when we were threatened or abused by irresponsible dog/owner
situations.
A few of mine include:
I was cornered by seven aggressive dogs just out for a walk. Owner let them
run ahead.
I was pinned on top of a bee's nest until the owner arrived. I was stung
eleven times by the time I got all of them out of my clothes.
I was, a couple times, face to face, with very threatening large dobermans
and no owner present.
With the owner present, I just passed by his growling dog. The dog jumped
up and bit me on my elbow.
Two days before I was attacked by three large dogs and had to beat them off
with my trekking poles, then return to fend them off again so my hiking
partner could get through.
In all cases nothing was done to keep this from happening to the next hiker
to come through.
Every time I hear a dog bark on the trail I get a bad feeling. I never know
what's coming next.
This is only a small part of my story.
Over and over, that threatening growling dog who has run ahead of the owner
and the echoing words "He's never done that before."
I just want it to stop, but it's not going to.
Warner Springs Monty
Lightweight Backpacking
The fun goes up when the weight goes down
-Warner Springs Monty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik The Black" <erik at eriktheblack.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dogs on the trail
> Hi Andy,
>
> Don't worry about bringing your pooch with you on your hike. I'm
sure she
> will be welcomed with open arms.
>
> When I thru hiked in 2007 there was another thru hiker Nadine who hiked
> with
> her dog Patcha (not sure how to spell that) and Patcha was the most
> popular
> hiker on the trail! All the hikers loved her and couldn't wait to see
her
> and play with her.
>
> The problem with internet discussion places like this one and others is
> that
> it does not give an accurate cross-section of the hiking community (or any
> community). There are many hikers who have never even heard of the PCT-L
> who
> have very different opinions about things than you will read here. They
> just
> don't want to sit around all day typing about them.
>
> The other problem with the internet is that people tend to act a lot more
> opinionated and grumpy about things than they really are. A person may be
> really tolerant and easy to get along with in real life, but they might be
> a
> real jerk on the internet. I think it's just because when you are
trapped
> behind a computer all day, life starts to irk you're a little more
than
> when
> you are out enjoying the freedom of the wilderness. I know that's
> certainly
> true with myself.
>
> Here are three internet "myths" about PCT thru hikers:
>
> * They are all ultra-light gear heads. Not true. I would say that the
> vast
> majority of PCT thru hikers I met were not ultra light. Most had a base
> pack
> weight of 14lbs or more.
>
> * They are against dogs, horses and mountain bikers. Not true. Most of the
> hikers I know couldn't care less about these and are perfectly willing
to
> share the trail with anyone else who wants to use it.
>
> * They are hardcore environmentalists who have strong opinions about poop
> disposal, "leave no trace ethics", building fires, etc. Also not
true.
> Most
> of the hikers I know practice a much more laid back "hike your own
hike"
> approach. They do what they do, and don't waste any time obsessing
over
> what
> others do.
>
> So please, take everything you read here with a grain of salt. I think you
> will find that once you get out on the trail everyone is much more
> tolerant
> than you may expect. Even people with strong opinions tend to keep them to
> themselves. The wilderness has a great pacifying affect. It has the
> ability
> to strip the most vitriolic crusader of his ideals.
>
>
> Happy Trails!
> Erik The Black
> www.eriktheblack.com
>
>
> ***********************************
>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:15:28 -0600
> From: Andrew Jones <a.freddy.j at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dogs on the trail
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <c75c07da0902170615u30f3fbb0yf6f8659dd3a8007d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Okay, you guys are freaking me out. Here's the deal: my wife and I are
> through hiking this summer, and the dog is coming with us. I know the
> issues
> with this - we've spent more time preparing for her being on the trail
> than
> ourselves. We know exactly where she is allowed to go and where she is
> not,
> what problems we may encounter (heat, water, etc.) and we've prepared
for
> these. One thing we didn't anticipate is the enormity of the negative
> feelings towards her on the trail.
>
> She is a well-behaved dog that loves hiking, which she does entirely while
> attached to us by a 20 ft retractable lead, for her own safety. She
> usually
> will not even acknowledge other people on the trail, but does enjoy
> visiting
> with other dogs she meets - she has spent years living around our horses,
> and is used to all kinds of livestock. She is well trained, especially for
> the command of sit and stay, which she does well even at a distance from
> us.
> She will not hurt you, and will not be allowed to approach you unless you
> ask to visit with her.
>
> So please, if you see a young couple hiking north with a large red/orange
> hound, do not attempt to maim/kill/eat this well-loved and well-behaved
> dog
> or her owners. And please tone down the rhetoric, I WAS enjoying this
> list.
> Emphasis on WAS.
>
> Andy
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:05:02 -0800
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
To: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>,
"pct-l"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Jim and/or Ginny Owen"
<spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>, "Ken Powers"
<ken at gottawalk.com>
Message-ID: <22ACD2B6B6984868AAF225F7EF51C75B at Monty>
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> believe but if u take the shutle up to Mammoth there is a Von's and
outfitter
There's a bus that runs quite often to a ski lodge where you take the free
"Bike Bus" into town to the Free Trolley stop. That Trolley goes to
Vons, the Outfitter (a good one), the Post Office, motels, restaurants, a movie
theater. There's a town map that has the trolley routes on it.
I will stop in Mammoth again.
I will get a box in Mammoth with my Northern California Guidebook and a few
other things. I'll also buy some supplies in Mammoth. I will ship a few
resupply boxes to hard-to-buy locations north of here.
monty
Lightweight Backpacking
The fun goes up when the weight goes down
-Warner Springs Monty
----- Original Message -----
From: patti kulesz
To: montypct ; pct-l ; Jim and/or Ginny Owen ; Ken Powers
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
yeh Reds doesn't open til June 15th I believe but if u take the
shutle up to Mammoth there is a Von's and outfitter...all kinds of places to
resupply up there. As for Tuolumne I only need it for a few days resupply after
resupplying in Mammoth and I will always have extra bug spray so I don't
have to worry about running out...I hate them dam skeeters!
patti
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com> wrote:
From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
To: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>, "patti
kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, "pct-l"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Jim and/or Ginny Owen"
<spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 10:00 AM
We arrived at Reds Meadow before the store was open - twice.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
To: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>;
"pct-l"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Jim and/or Ginny Owen"
<spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
All those are good.
Tuolumne, though, runs out of things.
I'm glad I've always sent my resupply there.
At least twice they have been out of bug repellant.
Wrong place to be without.
monty
Lightweight Backpacking
The fun goes up when the weight goes down
-Warner Springs Monty
----- Original Message -----
From: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Jim and/or
Ginny Owen"
<spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
I was just at Tehachapi and Idyllwild this weekend and they are both
great
towns to resupply at...Big Bear is too...I've been there several
times. The
little store in Tuolumne is pretty awesome too...O and Mammoth (reds
Meadow)
is a great spot as well
patti
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Jim and/or Ginny Owen
<spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
From: Jim and/or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Buy as you go
To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 9:43 AM
For those of us who prefer to buy as we go, which towns along the
trail
currently have decent stores and which require maildrops? There were
some
good articles a few years ago about buy as you go resupply
strategies, but I
haven't seen anything online recently that gives a simple list of
where we
can expect to be able to resupply and where we have to mail food. I
know
some of the resupply stops we used when we hiked nine years ago have
changed, so the old info isn't valid.
Ginny
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:26:00 +0000
From: Paul <paul_c at tuxcnc.org>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Buy as you go
To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Tuesday 17 February 2009, montypct wrote:
> There's a bus that runs quite often to a ski lodge where you take the
free
> "Bike Bus" into town to the Free Trolley stop. ?That Trolley
goes to Vons,
.... And if you are shopping at Vons, there is also a friendly little
photographic shop in the same precinct called Speed of Light - If you need to
download images, develop (or purchase) film, they can do it while you wait.
Regards, Paul.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:37:35 -0800
From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Map and Guide feedback request.
To: Stephen <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Trekker4 at aol.com
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On 2/17/09, Stephen <reddirt2 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> The problem is I can't find just the new PCT map for N. Cal so maybe
it's not finished.
Where is this 'new PCT map M. Cal' thought to come from?
There are northern California maps on www.pctmap.net.
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