[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 115
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The best cure for PO is prevention (kind of like pregnancy!).
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You crack me up!
JoAnn
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> 1. Re: Poison Oak (Greg Hummel)
> 2. Buck Larceny...Great story behind this Trail Name!
> (Georgi Heitman)
> 3. Re: Poison Oak Immunization (Tortoise)
> 4. Re: Sleeping Bags and Pags (Stephen)
> 5. Re: Sleeping Bags and Pags (montypct)
> 6. Buck Larceny - was something about peeing on tp and deer
> (Scott Heeschen)
> 7. Poison Oak Immunisation (Margarete Hochhut)
> 8. Washington PCT detours/closures (Doug Musso)
> 9. Re: Sleeping Bags and Pags (Ellen Shopes)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:05:02 -0500
> From: Greg Hummel <bighummel at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> The field I work in is loaded with PO and I've had it several times,
> mostly in the winter months when recognizing the bare branches is a
> problem.? The best cure for PO is prevention (kind of like pregnancy!).?
> Long sleeves, always walk thru thick brush with your arms over your head
> trying to not touch anything, and lava soap for scrubbing the first layer
> off after exposure.? I hate poison oak and it hates me.? It's what size 15
> boots are for; stomping it down!!!
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg Hummel "Strider"
> "Wilderness is NOT a luxury, but a necessity of the human spirit."
> ________________________________________ Edward Abbey
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:54:27 -0800
> From: Georgi Heitman <bobbnweav at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Buck Larceny...Great story behind this Trail Name!
> To: diane at santabarbarahikes.com, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Like Bear Can't, there's a great story behind this Trail Name!
> FireFly
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:27:40 -0800
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak Immunization
> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Back in the early 1980's, I first got tested for various insect sting
> allergies and confirmed that I was allergic to wasp stings. So I now
> carry EpiPens, used to be an AnaKit which was lighter but harder to use.
> Also did a series of desensitization shots. Maybe they helped as I was
> later stung by a wasp and didn't get much of reaction. Or maybe the wasp
> didn't inject venom. Either way I still consider myself allergic.
>
> Tortoise
>
> <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
>
>
>
> rcluster at comcast.net wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Think about it. Have
>>> you ever heard of bee sting immunization? Peanut butter immunization?
>>> Hives?
>>> Psoriasis? Celiac disease? I suspect you have not - and for good reason.
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Actually, yes to the bee sting immunization. Not immunization really, I
>> think it's actually called desensitization. It is a series of injections,
>> about a week apart, that contain an increasing concentration of the
>> allergen (venom). Under close medical supervision only. If I recall, you
>> have to remain in the doctors office for well over an hour after each
>> shot. Seems like I've even heard of a program for snake venom.
>>
>> I have taken similar allergy shots for pollen allergies and they do work.
>> There is also a shot program for some food allergies but apparently they
>> are much less effective. (Avoidance is better)
>>
>> I have never heard of any program for poison oak.
>>
>> And my opinion is that intentionally ingesting something that is known to
>> cause your body to have that type of reaction, unless this is being done
>> under the direct supervision of a doctor, is a pretty good definition of
>> insanity.
>>
>> Ron Cluster
>> Eugene, OR
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:22:33 -0800
> From: "Stephen" <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags
> To: "E A" <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com>, "PCT MailingList"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I used the Marmot Arroyo bag for a couple years, still a good bag for most
> trips, but have been quite happy with an REI Sub-Kilo I got on sale a
> couple
> years ago. When these 2lb bags are new they have incredible loft and
> warmth
> to weight ratio. In a bivy with ice on it I have never been cold. Last
> summer I was using Sub-Kilo and a tarp and was still comfortable sleeping
> in
> my base layer at high elevations. I tend to camp around tree line in the
> Sierra. Like the therma-rest I mention below, if it's raining I am
> careful
> about moisture around these bags. They are not water resistent as
> advertized except for minor spills when brand new. I used the Aroyyo on
> the
> Lost Coast hike and that is the only time I ever wished for a synthetic
> bag
> as it was just damp there right along the ocean. I've never hiked in WA
> so
> can't comment. The Sierra are desert mountians and never experienced any
> issues even when I had days of thunder storms and a couple really wild
> nights. I did have to set my tarp once on Seven Gables Pass area as a
> lean-to after I was blown flat, but the bag kept me warm and being a
> professional rigger helps with a good tarp lean-to pitch. I rate these
> 2lb
> bags about 25 degree new, but if one eats a big meal and has a snack in
> the
> middle of the night they can sleep comfortably colder. What they do lack
> is
> a comfy neck baffle. However, not having the baffle makes it easier to
> eject those big black and curious carpenter ants...
>
> For a pad I just got a Thermarest Pro-Lite 1-1/2 short. Nice pad. I
> occasionally use a lighter Ridgerest but my back and hips hate when I do
> that. For more comfortable outings I have a 2" short thermarest (rare I
> think) that while a little heavy to consider for UL trips, is so
> incredibly
> comfortable wigthmy pack and parka under knees and feet I have never slept
> so good. That pads got some serious miles on it and has never failed. I
> expect the same form the light pad. I do carry a small patch kit
> sometimes
> if going far from the car. The only puncture I've ever got was my long 2"
> car camp pad that I closed the rear hatch of my staion wagon on. That was
> on uncomfortable night. However, I got it patched using the hot pot
> method
> the mext morning and no problems since.
> I have patched other people's pads for them, and I would suggest anyone
> hiking distance with one know how as it will be hard to find me, and no
> one
> knows what I look like and I aint tellin...
> Anyway, I know four hundred million people use Z-rests and other foam pads
> withgreat results, but I just don't get Z rest if you know what I mean.
> Getting Z rest is as important as eating well. I have tomake a couple
> compromises and this latest pad addition of the thicker but shorter
> Pro-Lite
> seemed a good compromise to my wallet this last summer.
> Now, I know folks poke holes in thier pads all the time, and it irritates
> me
> when the add-hype shows campers using air/foam pads as chairs, and a comfy
> place to sit and eat lunch. Nonsense. I take very good care of mine and
> am
> careful where I lay it, never sit on it unless laying down for a while and
> then only on the ground sheet. I also keep the pad in a light stuff sack
> (the stuff sack willprobably be ditched for thePCT hike), and always cary
> inside the pack so I don't snag it. Ten years and have only popped one
> with
> the car hatch like I said. Always a first time though, and that's why
> when
> I tally my gear weight the patch kit stays with the pad. But I gotta say,
> if I could sleep better on a foam pad, I would quickly cut my Ridgerest to
> a
> short pad and love to drop the ounces, but I've tried it enough times to
> know even two foam pads wont do me better than even a 1" air/foam pad.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E A" <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com>
> To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags
>
>
>> Also what Bag are people using? Western, Golite, Featheredfriends?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:29 PM, E A <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> What are people using for sleeping bags. 20 degree, 30 degree, 40
>>> degree,
>>> no bag...
>>>
>>> Also along those lines what pads have you found comfortable?
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried the GossamerGear pad---->
>>> http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/nightlight_3_quarter.html
>>> or http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/thinlight.html
>>>
>>> The first one looks like it would be pretty comfy.
>>>
>>> --Edan
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:53:40 -0800
> From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags
> To: "E A" <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com>, "PCT MailingList"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <615300A03FC14C868C92B46B23ABA9B3 at Monty>
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> I've used the Gossamer Gear Nightlite 6000 miles.
> I'm using it again this year
>
> Bag Westerm Mountaineering 20 and a 32
>
> monty
>
>
>
> The fun goes up when the weight goes down
> -Warner Springs Monty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E A" <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com>
> To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:29 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> What are people using for sleeping bags. 20 degree, 30 degree, 40
>> degree,
>> no bag...
>>
>> Also along those lines what pads have you found comfortable?
>>
>> Has anyone tried the GossamerGear pad---->
>> http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/nightlight_3_quarter.html
>> or http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/thinlight.html
>>
>> The first one looks like it would be pretty comfy.
>>
>> --Edan
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:58:50 -0800
> From: Scott Heeschen <sheesh at alum.mit.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] Buck Larceny - was something about peeing on tp and
> deer
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <6880f91d0901272358y7bdccf11k30bb9e372cf4b62e at mail.gmail.com>
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> MendoRider wrote:
>
>>* I was astonished at how fearless the
> *>* deer were. At first I was delighted that they came right
> *>* into camp. That soom wore off and I decided that they were
>
> *>* pests. I was not very successful in chasing them away.
> *
> In '05, a thru-hiker in that very same area had his trekking poles
> stolen in the night. He found just one of them the next day...covered
> in deer slobber. He got his trail name from that experience....Buck
> Larceny.
>
>
> Squatch
> www.walkpct.com
>
> ------------------------------
> [may be a reposting - sorry if you get this twice]
>
> Good memory, Squatch! I was very pleased when Josh anointed me with that
> trailname. The deer stole more than my trekking poles, though - it's a
> scary feeling when you wake up in the middle of the night and your pack is
> gone! I may have misspoken when I met you - the location was Stover Camp,
> south of Lassen, but it's all in Nothern California, where I heard of
> others
> having similar issues:
>
> http://trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=111355
>
> I didn't have any more theft problems (once I washed my pack :-) but the
> deer in the North Cascades were terrible about being klutzy and loud at
> night while earning their 'pee-licker' nickname. All this was at very
> established campsites (Cascades have designated camping areas), so stealth
> camping is good for avoiding more than bears, apparently.
>
> Deer lost a lot of their "Ooh, nature! How cool!" cachet on my thruhike.
>
> Scott "Buck Larceny" Heeschen
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:30:05 +0100
> From: "Margarete Hochhut" <hochhut at web.de>
> Subject: [pct-l] Poison Oak Immunisation
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <63C1FD1DEDBB4C2F88E094463BA92724 at RIT>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Do not ingest poison oak !
> The poison can cause severe intestinal damage. It can cause the same
> damage in your intestinal tract as it causes on the skin and lungs. Very
> bad. I do not want to tell horror stories about patients (mostly children)
> that had the reactions. Believe me, it is not what you want.
>
> If it is really an old remedy of the native indians - it can easily be,
> there immune system has another "code"
>
> Rita Hochhut, Frankfurt, Germany
> (MD)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:51:11 -0800
> From: Doug Musso <dougmusso at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Washington PCT detours/closures
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <COL102-W11B5CD7AB4AED2D78D77C2A1C80 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Where can I find information about trail closures and detours in the
> Washington State portion of the PCT as of the end of 2008 season. Thanks,
> Doug
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:45:05 -0600
> From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags
> To: "Stephen" <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>, "E A"
> <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com>, "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <30345C89EEAD4F19BB945B583B915B22 at ELLEN>
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>
> What is the 'hot pot' method for patching a thermarest?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen" <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
> To: "E A" <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com>; "PCT MailingList"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags
>
>
>>I used the Marmot Arroyo bag for a couple years, still a good bag for most
>> trips, but have been quite happy with an REI Sub-Kilo I got on sale a
>> couple
>> years ago. When these 2lb bags are new they have incredible loft and
>> warmth
>> to weight ratio. In a bivy with ice on it I have never been cold. Last
>> summer I was using Sub-Kilo and a tarp and was still comfortable sleeping
>> in
>> my base layer at high elevations. I tend to camp around tree line in the
>> Sierra. Like the therma-rest I mention below, if it's raining I am
>> careful
>> about moisture around these bags. They are not water resistent as
>> advertized except for minor spills when brand new. I used the Aroyyo on
>> the
>> Lost Coast hike and that is the only time I ever wished for a synthetic
>> bag
>> as it was just damp there right along the ocean. I've never hiked in WA
>> so
>> can't comment. The Sierra are desert mountians and never experienced any
>> issues even when I had days of thunder storms and a couple really wild
>> nights. I did have to set my tarp once on Seven Gables Pass area as a
>> lean-to after I was blown flat, but the bag kept me warm and being a
>> professional rigger helps with a good tarp lean-to pitch. I rate these
>> 2lb
>> bags about 25 degree new, but if one eats a big meal and has a snack in
>> the
>> middle of the night they can sleep comfortably colder. What they do lack
>> is
>> a comfy neck baffle. However, not having the baffle makes it easier to
>> eject those big black and curious carpenter ants...
>>
>> For a pad I just got a Thermarest Pro-Lite 1-1/2 short. Nice pad. I
>> occasionally use a lighter Ridgerest but my back and hips hate when I do
>> that. For more comfortable outings I have a 2" short thermarest (rare I
>> think) that while a little heavy to consider for UL trips, is so
>> incredibly
>> comfortable wigthmy pack and parka under knees and feet I have never
>> slept
>> so good. That pads got some serious miles on it and has never failed. I
>> expect the same form the light pad. I do carry a small patch kit
>> sometimes
>> if going far from the car. The only puncture I've ever got was my long
>> 2"
>> car camp pad that I closed the rear hatch of my staion wagon on. That
>> was
>> on uncomfortable night. However, I got it patched using the hot pot
>> method
>> the mext morning and no problems since.
>> I have patched other people's pads for them, and I would suggest anyone
>> hiking distance with one know how as it will be hard to find me, and no
>> one
>> knows what I look like and I aint tellin...
>> Anyway, I know four hundred million people use Z-rests and other foam
>> pads
>> withgreat results, but I just don't get Z rest if you know what I mean.
>> Getting Z rest is as important as eating well. I have tomake a couple
>> compromises and this latest pad addition of the thicker but shorter
>> Pro-Lite
>> seemed a good compromise to my wallet this last summer.
>> Now, I know folks poke holes in thier pads all the time, and it irritates
>> me
>> when the add-hype shows campers using air/foam pads as chairs, and a
>> comfy
>> place to sit and eat lunch. Nonsense. I take very good care of mine and
>> am
>> careful where I lay it, never sit on it unless laying down for a while
>> and
>> then only on the ground sheet. I also keep the pad in a light stuff sack
>> (the stuff sack willprobably be ditched for thePCT hike), and always cary
>> inside the pack so I don't snag it. Ten years and have only popped one
>> with
>> the car hatch like I said. Always a first time though, and that's why
>> when
>> I tally my gear weight the patch kit stays with the pad. But I gotta
>> say,
>> if I could sleep better on a foam pad, I would quickly cut my Ridgerest
>> to
>> a
>> short pad and love to drop the ounces, but I've tried it enough times to
>> know even two foam pads wont do me better than even a 1" air/foam pad.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "E A" <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com>
>> To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags
>>
>>
>>> Also what Bag are people using? Western, Golite, Featheredfriends?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:29 PM, E A <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> What are people using for sleeping bags. 20 degree, 30 degree, 40
>>>> degree,
>>>> no bag...
>>>>
>>>> Also along those lines what pads have you found comfortable?
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone tried the GossamerGear pad---->
>>>> http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/nightlight_3_quarter.html
>>>> or http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/thinlight.html
>>>>
>>>> The first one looks like it would be pretty comfy.
>>>>
>>>> --Edan
>>>>
>>>>
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