[pct-l] Cramming a BV450

Sun Feb 1 00:51:05 CST 2009

http://www.sierrawildbear.gov/foodstorage/approvedcontainers.htm

under canisters...last paragraph
http://www.yosemite.national-park.com/camping.htm#can

as for my meals when I am hiking...I just threw a bunch of stuff in the canister to show that I could put 8-9 days worth of food in there. I always have plenty of healthy stuff in my pack...like quinoa, granola veggies...etc....I even make sure I put some fruit in there...I'm a vegetarian, hypoglycemic and very high metabloism to boot...I make sure I eat good and healthy. Most of the time when I am doing 3-4  days I ususally even bring real food and use alot more gas of course...but I eat good trust me. I also LOVE food! And as little as I am...people are very suprised when they see how much I can actually eat. I always have extra food and never run out....thank goodness....cuz I can't even fathom what life would be like without food. Even my roomate is amazed (and this is on a regular day...no hiking) at how much I eat and he is three times my size. But thanx for the advice dad. LOL

patti

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Stephen <reddirt2 at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Stephen <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cramming a BV450
To: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, "Erik The Black" <erik at eriktheblack.com>, "Michael Chamoun" <nano.michael at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 10:17 PM

Patti,
who or where did you get this info that an approved container is required? is there new rules I am unawares?   This last season they were only required incertain areas, which has been the norm for a few years now, primarily along the eastern approach trails and then only required if spending the night.  I have been permitting through tthe eastern Sierra for ten years and have never been hassled, and I am honest with them that I am going over the pases the same day of entry.  I have never been searched, or detained by rangers other thanthe occasional polite request to know if I have a permit, and I have never been asked toshow my permit by an NPS ranger, only NFS in the wilderness areas, and then that is only about once or less per season. The particular regulation areas I know of are along the Rae lakes loop, where I believe a container is now required, but until someone asks I aint tellin. The JMT section through there is about a half day of
 walking. It is from Vidette/Bubbs creek jct , over Glenn Pass, and down to the Woods Creek bridge.  I know of no other area that might be mandatory now unless one plans to resupply over the eastern approaches and spends the night on the east side of the crest.  Last time I went through Vidette, and Rae the brown boxes were still in place, and on one I used a caribeiner as one of the dog leash snaps was out of action at Lower Vidette.  On the same trip I visited Woods Creek and those boxes were still in place and in good condition.
Also Patti, have you considered your choice of foods.  A couple things you have there are about as whole some as the wrappers, and while they might simulate eating and stave off hunger, they wont supply any good energy. Particularly the instant oatmeal and ramen. I know it's light and packs well, but the trade off isn't worth it. Mix up some good muesli, which is good hot or cold.  Add dried cranberries etc... Capt crunch probably has more nutrition than instant oatmeal, but I prefer puffed rice.  I'mnot saying ramen is bad.  I will uissually cary a couple packs smashed downsmall for an extra meal or two, or on one of those occasions when I get a migrain and can only barely funtion or keep anything down.  Quinoa (spell? Keenwah) or corn pasta will make a soup with only a bit more boiling and provide a bucket full of energy.  I carry a soup flavoring and dried veggie bag to make pastas and soups.  I'd be glad to give you a recipe or two you can try
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----- Original Message ----- From: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
To: "Erik The Black" <erik at eriktheblack.com>; "Michael Chamoun" <nano.michael at gmail.com>
Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cramming a BV450

yeh but they're not allowed in the sierras which is the only place u need the canister...I think they are smaller too. If a ranger asks you to see the canister which some can be buttheads about...u'll be escorted off the trail and possibly fined...it's not worth it I'm thinking.

patti

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Michael Chamoun <nano.michael at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Michael Chamoun <nano.michael at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cramming a BV450
To: "Erik The Black" <erik at eriktheblack.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 9:43 PM

I think I'm on board with you on that Erik. I have an Ursack (with the
liner though) sitting in my closet. I used it on the JMT in '06 and it
worked perfectly. It fits 7-8days of food and weighs (with aluminum liner)
19 oz. A whole lot better than the current (gulp)... 40 oz!

Nano

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Erik The Black <erik at eriktheblack.com>wrote:

> I carried the larger BV500 (or whatever they called the big one back then)
> through the Sierra in '07, and could barely fit four days of food inside!
> 
> Of course anyone who has read my blog knows that I'm a hearty eater. I
> can't
> imagine eating only 2,500 calories a day. Especially in the high Sierra -
> the steepest, rockiest, toughest, snowiest, mosquitoeiest, highest section
> of the whole trail. That stretch, more than any other, calls for big-time
> calorie consumption!
> 
> In the future I will use an Ursack. I know they aren't "officially
> approved"
> but I don't really care that much about meeting requirements and following
> rules. I just want a practical way to keep bears out of my food.
> 
> It would take a really determined bear to break into an Ursack. Plus, with
> all the "low hanging fruit" from JMT hikers camping by the lakes, roasting
> marshmallows and frying fish over the campfire, there are a lot more
> attractive targets for the lazy Sierra bears.
> 
> Smoky would really have to have a craving for your stale Ramen noodles to
> hike way up into the mountains where you're dry-camped and gnaw through a
> Vectran bag for an hour and a half to get to it.
> 
> An Ursack only weighs about 8 ounces and holds almost a much as the big
> Bearvault. Two of them combined fit perfectly in the top of most packs, and
> that gives you 1,300 cubic inches of "almost" bear-proof food storage, for
> only 1 pound of extra weight.
> 
> My Bear Vault is now a container for storing loose change ;)
> 
> 
> -Erik The Black
> www.eriktheblack.com
> 
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