[pct-l] Salt in freeze dried foods
Andrea Harrison
andylouharrison at hotmail.com
Sat Dec 26 11:31:08 CST 2009
There have been numerous studies done on salt with regards to dehydration and in one study that stuck out in my mind of things you should save from a plane crash to survive if you crashed in the desert, Salt was the last thing on the list, because if you are already starting to dehydrate, the salt continues the process, it does not help you to "retain" water. So best choice is to stay hydrated on a kind of drip system, where you continually sip small amounts of water. Your system absorbs the water as needed avoiding the water toxicity (sp). Happy Hiking from Trail Sampler.
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> 1. Re: Resupply strategies (Paul Mitchell)
> 2. Re: Salt In Freeze Dried Food (Steve McAllister)
> 3. Ollalie (Postholer)
> 4. Re: Ollalie (will.hiltz at gmail.com)
> 5. Electrolytes (J J at Ridge Trail)
> 6. Ollalie (Sean Nordeen)
> 7. Re: Resupply strategies - junk vs nutrition
> (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
> 8. Christmas Greetings (Mountaingoat Fraser)
> 9. Halfmile's PCT now on Google Maps (Postholer)
> 10. Re: Halfmile's PCT now on Google Maps (J J at Ridge Trail)
> 11. Re: base pack weight (Austin Williams)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:01:49 -0800
> From: "Paul Mitchell" <bluebrain at bluebrain.ca>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Resupply strategies
> To: "'Ernie Castillo'" <erniec01 at hotmail.com>, <hikerbob62 at yahoo.com>,
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> > So naturally, when I hit the PCT, my family was my lifeline.
>
> Nice! Lucky.
>
> My family, with one exception, didn't follow my journal and didn't realize
> when I got home that I hadn't finished the trail. I think people who have a
> close family and get that kind of support on the trail are very lucky. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> P178
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:34:42 -0500
> From: Steve McAllister <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Salt In Freeze Dried Food
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> My own experience:
> I was traveling with a group in which the leader kept stressing the
> need for sodium as it was in the high 90's, full sun exposure and near
> 100% humidity.
>
> Two people ended up going to the hospital from heat issues at the end
> of the day. They were both drinking Gatoraid and taking
> potasium/sodium capsules.
> I was on a low sodium diet and others didn't increase there salt
> intake and never had problems.
>
> I have always kept my sodium level low, even in hot desert conditions
> and have never had an issue, but I do drink more water than most
> people do. In fact I force it down when most people are sipping to
> conserve.
>
> I guess everyone is different?
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Studies have been done on runners and acclimitization to heat.
> > ?It has been found that after about 2 weeks of exercise in the heat the body loses less salt than it had previously.
> >
> > I have found from experience that my arms? are less salty once?I am used to exercising in the heat.
> >
> > I?seldom add salt to my food but I do use diluted Gatordade.
> >
> > hm
> > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, John Coyle <jcoyle at sanjuan.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: John Coyle <jcoyle at sanjuan.edu>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Salt In Freeze Dried Food
> > To: "'pct-l at backcountry.net'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 12:36 PM
> >
> >
> > Yesterday I commented that the sodium content in commercially available backpacking food seems high to me.? I have to watch my salt intake because I am prone to high blood pressure.? When I buy commercially available backpacking food, which isn't very often, I try to keep it below 500mg a serving. You will notice that most of the food at REI is higher than that.? Personally I have a Caldera Cone, a dehydrator, and make most of my own food using the freezer bag technique, so I can control the sodium that way.? As a side note, I dehydrated some ground turkey the other day and it ended up looking and feeling like gravel, but it plumped up real nice in my cozy.? Some folks suggest that high salt intake is necessary on the trail to replace salt lost through perspiration. It is true that clothing, hats especially, develop a salty appearance over time that might lead one to believe that a person has to replace salt in the diet.? I wonder though, is it
> > ?really necessary to consume a l
> > ot of salt on the trail to maintain good health????Is there any research on this subject, or any consensus of opinion?? I have heard competing theories.
> >
> > John Coyle
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:56:01 -0800
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Ollalie
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> > If Ollalie is closed in 2010, what's another resupply
> > option in that part of OR?
>
> It's roughly 110 miles from McKenzie Pass/Big Lake Youth Camp to Timberline
> Lodge.
>
> You can resupply at Sisters or Big Lake Youth Camp (mail drop) in the south,
> then resupply (mail drop) at Timberline Lodge. At 20 miles a day that's less
> than 6 food days.
>
> -postholer
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:29:58 +0000
> From: will.hiltz at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ollalie
> To: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>,
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> Wait for you sisters area resupply until big lake youth camp or go out to sisters from santiam pass rather than mckenzie. This leaves a longish, but very flat (until the end) stretch once you get past jeff park. I did like a 12 out of sisters, a 30 into olallie, a 38 from ollalie and then a half day up to timberline. Sisters to timberline is long but doable, most people I knew weren't resupplying at olallie, just buying ice cream sandwiches
>
> Easy
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> Subject: [pct-l] Ollalie
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> If Ollalie is closed in 2010, what's another resupply option in that part of OR?
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> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:36:37 -0800
> From: J J at Ridge Trail <jj at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Electrolytes
> To: Steve McAllister <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Greetings Steve et al,
>
> You're right, Steve. Response to electrolyte levels is individual. And it requires serious attention for some of us, whatever our responses.
>
> I can get very hyponatremic (severe electrolyte deficiency) in hot weather while hiking. And my solution is to be able to respond quickly when I see a problem. It is especially important for me to keep a fairly wide range of electrolytes available for quick ingestion.
>
> Walk well,
> Jim Keener ( J J )
> _________________
>
> jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
> http://ridgetrailhiker.com
> http://olderhealthier.com
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>
> On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Steve McAllister wrote:
>
> > My own experience:
> > I was traveling with a group in which the leader kept stressing the
> > need for sodium as it was in the high 90's, full sun exposure and near
> > 100% humidity.
> >
> > Two people ended up going to the hospital from heat issues at the end
> > of the day. They were both drinking Gatoraid and taking
> > potasium/sodium capsules.
> > I was on a low sodium diet and others didn't increase there salt
> > intake and never had problems.
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:24:13 -0800
> From: "Sean Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Ollalie
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> >If Ollalie is closed in 2010, what's another resupply option in that part of OR?
>
> If Ollalie had been open this year, I would have possibly bypassed Timberline Lodge and gone straight through to Cascade Locks. Instead I carried from McKennzie Pass/Sisters to Timberline Lodge. Big Youth Camp wasn't an option for me since I wanted to zero in Sisters anyway. Most people are doing high 20's to low 30's per day through this stretch, so its not that bad of a carry.
>
> -Sean "Miner" Nordeen
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:30:26 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Resupply strategies - junk vs nutrition
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> That's my point. I really truly believed that carrying the most
> nutritious food in my pack ought to help, too. But it turned out not
> to be true. At least not for me, and I'm an older woman. I think that
> is because there really is no such thing as nutritious dehydrated food.
>
> Just because something comes from a grocery store in a box with a
> heart symbol on it doesn't mean it's actually any better than
> something that came out of a convenience store in a box that has
> cartoon characters on it.
>
> What is needed is fresh food. I did carry in my pack real peanut
> butter, real chicken/tuna, real bread, real cheese, real pasta (long
> cooking kind) and sometimes even real fruit and vegetables (fresh,
> not dehydrated.) I also took vitamins (in the form of Emergence-C
> which I actually looked forward to.) I didn't take vitamins the
> previous year and I suffered. This year I did and I did 100% better.
>
> You can bring your own dehydrated meals and I'm sure they will be
> happily eaten. But they will not be equivalent to fresh food. The
> real difference isn't between your own dehydrated meals and cookies
> from the mini-mart. The real difference is between packaged food and
> fresh food.
>
> Diane
>
>
> On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> > Bottom line, I personally can't believe that nutrition doesn't make a
> > difference, at home or out there - maybe even more so out there.
> > Lots of us
> > may be able to get from one end of the trail to the other fine fueling
> > ourselves with whatever junk we put in, but it stands to reason
> > that we'll
> > have a better chance if we're getting better nutrients from our diet.
> >
> > Just my two bits. :-)
> > P178
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:42:53 +1000
> From: Mountaingoat Fraser <mistermountaingoat at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Christmas Greetings
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Merry Christmas to all on the List hunkered down in the frozen wastes of
> America, from the sun-baked, bushfire-charred land of Oz!
>
> ~ Mr Mountaingoat
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:16:55 -0800
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Halfmile's PCT now on Google Maps
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> The same data Halfmile uses to create his excellent .pdf maps
> (http://pctmap.net) is now available at postholer Google maps. You can view
> it here:
>
> http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=13
>
> As usual you can view the map in satellite, mytopo, etc. It also has
> mileages and elevations.
>
> Tell Halfmile thanks when you see him!
>
> -postholer
> ------------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:27:17 -0800
> From: J J at Ridge Trail <jj at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Halfmile's PCT now on Google Maps
> To: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <D8E482B7-7C36-48B7-96B9-4A05009F7EC5 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
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> Thanks, Halfmile and Scott. Great asset for the community.
>
> So. I started playing with this and noticed the town of Canyon City on Highway 94, just west of the southern monument. Is there anything of interest there?
>
> Jim Keener ( J J )
> _________________
>
> jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
> http://ridgetrailhiker.com
> http://olderhealthier.com
>
>
> > The same data Halfmile uses to create his excellent .pdf maps
> > (http://pctmap.net) is now available at postholer Google maps. You can view
> > it here:
> >
> > http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=13
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:26:11 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] base pack weight
> To: Phil Newhouse <newhoupa1 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Great question. My Marmot Helium bag is rated at 15 degrees F. I sleep
> cold and it worked well for me. When it's cold out, I sleep with all my
> clothes on inside the bag. I think that adds quite a bit of warmth. I had
> a few chilly nights while above 6,000 ft, but that's to be expected. Even
> on those nights I wasn't shivering.
>
> It really is the best piece of gear I've ever bought. I don't know when I'll
> have to replace it, but when I do I'll get the regular size instead of the
> long. The long size was a bit too long - even for me and I'm 6' 2".
>
> -Austin
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Phil Newhouse <newhoupa1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Austin, is your helium bag sufficient for the Sierra in late June/early
> > July (through hiking windows)? what is the thermal rating on your bag? 30
> > deg?
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > phil
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Austin Williams <
> > austinwilliams123 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey,
> >>
> >> Great questions! Love em. According to some polls I took, most
> >> thru-hikers
> >> have a base pack weight between 10 and 15 pounds. The next-largest group
> >> of
> >> hikers have a basepackwieght between 16 and 20 pounds. I kept the polls
> >> up,
> >> you can check em' out if you want to get an idea of how other's hiked
> >> their
> >> hike:
> >> http://www.planyourhike.com/polls/
> >>
> >> My base packweight bounces around between 8 and 10 pounds. Here are my
> >> pieces of advice (ignore any and all that you'd like):
> >>
> >> 1) use a down sleeping bag. Synthetic is too heavy. Period. I
> >> *highly*reccomend
> >> The Marmot Helium or the Marmot Hydrogen sleeping bag (depending whether
> >> you
> >> sleep cold or warm respectively). Price tag may be a little high, but
> >> it's
> >> not too bad, and you will not regret it. It's the best piece of gear I
> >> ever
> >> bought.
> >>
> >> 2) Use a tarp instead of a tent. Tents are for weenies (I'm totally just
> >> joking, I love all you tent people :D ). You don't need a $140 Cuben
> >> fiber
> >> tarp (although, that *would* be awesome). Even a cheapo, $20, homemade,
> >> 14
> >> oz Tyvek tarp (like mine) will work. Not a make-it-at-home person? No
> >> problem. Buy a tarp for $80. But go with a tarp and save at least a
> >> pound
> >> over the lightest of tents ( or igore this one, HYOY).
> >>
> >> 3) if you're commited to going lightweight (and you are right? I mean
> >> anything worth doing is worth doing right... :D ) then go with an
> >> ultra-light backpack - the kind that dosn't have a frame... the kind that
> >> -
> >> when you pack your bag - you put your folded up (3/4 length) sleeping pad
> >> towards your back and *that* becomes your frame. I made a Ray-Way pack.
> >> It's the most awesome pack in the world. First thing I ever sewed... held
> >> up over 30 miles of intesive bushwacking. Even still, I think 'kits' are
> >> too expensive for what they are. I'd have spent an extra $20 to have
> >> someone sew it for me. So maybe just buy one. The simpler the better.
> >>
> >> 4) if you are still using a stove that requires a canister, let me help
> >> you
> >> out: get rid of it. Use an alcohol or Esbit burning stove. You can make
> >> at home for about 50 cents. Try googling it. That will easily pull a
> >> pound
> >> or two out of your pack. And they are way cheaper. (In fact, going
> >> ultralight, for me at least, was always cheaper than going LW or
> >> heavier...
> >> with the excepion of the Marmot Helium sleeping bag).
> >>
> >> 5) while we're working on your backcountry kitchen, rid yourself of all
> >> your
> >> extra cups and bowls and excess silverware. All you need is one aluminum
> >> (you're not scared of aluminum are you?) or titanium (much more
> >> expensive..... but hey, at least it's not aluminum) cookpot. I do this
> >> and
> >> I have my entire kitchen (including pot, stove, and spork) under half a
> >> pound.
> >>
> >> 6) Then we come to water. Leave your water filter at home. Bring Aqua
> >> Mira. Feel lighter yet? Nalgene bottles are banned, too. Too heavy.
> >>
> >> 7) If your headlamp weighs more than three ounces... go to jail. Do not
> >> pass Go. Do not collect $200.
> >>
> >> 8) Since you're already at 20 lbs, I know you aren't bringing the entire
> >> Wilderness Press guidebooks (They weight about 30 pounds each, so you're
> >> doing well on that front).
> >>
> >> 9) If your sleeping pad inflates (or weighs more than a quarter pound) try
> >> a
> >> 3/4 length blue foam pad (cheap) or a Zrest (fancy-shmancy).
> >>
> >> So far, without clothing, you should be somewhere around 5 pounds or so.
> >>
> >> I'll stop here, though. If you'd like more on clothing, let me know.
> >>
> >> Despite my jokingly all-knowing-ultralighter tone, you should do whatever
> >> works for you. Even if that means a 20 pound pack. Seriously.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> -Austin
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