[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 1

Tue Dec 1 08:42:52 CST 2009

Its a real bummer to see the condition that angeles national forest is in. i
was living in LA for a year and recently moved back to the east coast this
past march but can easily say that the angeles forest was my most visited
home away from home. whether i was hiking or just on a joy ride, i can
specifically remember how fulfilling it was to greet the mountains as i made
my way into the foothills. many times i introduced new friends to hiking and
angeles was the first place we went. haha, i remember passing bikers on my
way into the angeles crest hwy for a short day-hike, and i would see the
same guys still making their way in the same direction as i was on my way
back! good times. ok ok fire is an inevitable force of nature and
contributes to natural balance, but still, it kind of hurts to see that
kinda damage. much respect to those who brush rocks and boulders to the side
as they make their way down the highway. i will be in LA for new years, and
you better believe i'll be dropping by to say hello to my old home away from
home.

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>   1.  Tarps + tarptent = Duomid (Deems)
>   2. Re: Angeles Crest Highway Reopens (The Incredible Bulk)
>   3. Re: Angeles Crest Highway Reopens (Paul Bodnar)
>   4. Re: Angeles Crest Highway Reopens (Stephen Adams)
>   5. Re: Hiking without the guide book?? (jason moores)
>   6. angeles national forest opened as well (canoeman at qnet.com)
>   7. Re: Hiking without the guide book?? (Hernandez)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:19:38 -0800
> From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l]  Tarps + tarptent = Duomid
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I used a tarp in the mid-70s and on the PCT, one I made by hand on my Mom's
> Singer. Then I went thru a few decades of tent pounding and testing on my
> wilderness adventures. But I never forgot my light handmade tarp (which I
> still have). I discovered Tarptent when a friend carried a Squall on our
> 2002 Wind River Mtns trek. I've since carried the Tarptent Squall, and the
> Rainbow under severe rain and wind conditions, and each is a reasonable 1.5
> to 2lbs of wt. In the wilderness, each showed its inherent strength, and
> weakness to me in time. The weakness I found was under severe winds which
> led me to find a more stable wind shelter. I am always seeking shelter, and
> in 2009 I chose the Mountain Laurel Designs Duomid, during it's
> introductory
> period. I have found the Duomid to be a superb shelter for bugs, space,
> wind, and rain and it's weight is a minimal 16oz. Why trust a tarp in
> severe
> conditions when you can be totally secure under a pyramid of protection.
> http://mountainlaureldesigns.com/
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:54:50 -0800
> From: The Incredible Bulk <ki6asp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Angeles Crest Highway Reopens
> To: Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Sounds like hiking the trail is a much safer prospect than driving highway
> 2.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2009, Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > Yup, I'll bet, and I've cleared a lot of rocks off that road over the
> years and many others. ?IT is the right thing to do if there is a safe place
> to pull over. ?Thus not leaving the rock for the next driver, motorcyclist,
> or biker to hit. ?Hit a rock once with a friend after climbing in Tuolumne
> and heading down the steep east side of Tioga Pass (hywy 120) and took out
> two tires and a rim. ?Scarry. ?Hit another rock along the Trinity River
> canyon once and flatted there too. ?Have hit various rocks and flatted and
> crashed once while cycling. ?Just have to be careful and even though I am,
> those little bastards get in my way. ?So I make it my business to clear the
> road for others when possible and that's almost always when out and about.
> > On the other hand, Angeles Forest and Angles Crest Hwy were not built for
> and not intended for commuting. ?They are good roads to be cautious perieod,
> yet when 14 was closed due to the Northidge earthquake issues around Sylmar,
> (Do you remember the Sylmar quake?) and a lot of folks were pretty muched
> forced to use those roads to get to the city for work or whatever, I was not
> impressed with the way folks chose to drive. ?I was almost hit at least four
> times by oncoming traffic. ?Lucky for me I anticipated it. ?Bottom line is
> it's a dangerous mountain road and folks seem to think everything should be
> laid out for them all safe and neat. ?I notice once you get away from the
> city folks things slow down and people actually drive at safe speeds. ?Up
> along the 395 heading along the desert corridor and along the eastern Sierra
> there seems to be a larger presence of CHP and County Sherifs and a lot more
> folks pulled over for speeding etc... ?Good.
> > On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Carl Siechert wrote:
> >
> >> The money quote:
> >>
> >> Danny Macias, an equipment operator for Caltrans on his way to work in
> East
> >> L.A. from Palmdale, had not taken the road since August. After weaving
> >> around large boulders that had tumbled onto the road and watching rocks
> >> falling from the barren hillsides, Macias was shaking.
> >>
> >> ?I?m terrified,? he said. ?I wouldn?t go up there. There?s rock slides
> >> everywhere.?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, The Incredible Bulk <ki6asp at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Los Angeles Times | November 30, 2009 | 10:05 a.m.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Angeles Crest Highway reopened
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Angeles Crest Highway has been reopened for the first time since it was
> >>> closed over the summer because of the Station fire. The reopening was
> >>> delayed by high winds and rock slides.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Officials are urging drivers to use caution because crews are working
> to
> >>> remove debris and the area remains windy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Full story at:
> >>>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/11/angeles-crest-highway.html<
> >>> http://link.latimes.com/r/9UIJ7Y/R6VCK/2Z2517/DX0B3/6V1Q0M/QR/h>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:04:53 -0500
> From: Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Angeles Crest Highway Reopens
> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Today I drove up highway 2 to Three Points (mile marker 403 on the PCT) to
> see the trail.  The trail looked better than I expected.  Fire damage was
> bad but it was nice to see unburned areas.
>
> I was impressed with the repair of the highway.  Almost every barrier and
> sign was replaced.  The road was in pretty good condition from La Canada to
> Three Points--about 30+ miles.  There were about five one way sections which
> required waiting for opposing traffic to pass.  But it wasn't too bad.  You
> can view some of my pictures at
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/pctdata/Hwy2Pictures#5410093017618599570
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:54:50 -0800
> > From: ki6asp at gmail.com
> > To: reddirt2 at earthlink.net
> > CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Angeles Crest Highway Reopens
> >
> > Sounds like hiking the trail is a much safer prospect than driving
> highway 2.
> >
> > On Monday, November 30, 2009, Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > > Yup, I'll bet, and I've cleared a lot of rocks off that road over the
> years and many others.  IT is the right thing to do if there is a safe place
> to pull over.  Thus not leaving the rock for the next driver, motorcyclist,
> or biker to hit.  Hit a rock once with a friend after climbing in Tuolumne
> and heading down the steep east side of Tioga Pass (hywy 120) and took out
> two tires and a rim.  Scarry.  Hit another rock along the Trinity River
> canyon once and flatted there too.  Have hit various rocks and flatted and
> crashed once while cycling.  Just have to be careful and even though I am,
> those little bastards get in my way.  So I make it my business to clear the
> road for others when possible and that's almost always when out and about.
> > > On the other hand, Angeles Forest and Angles Crest Hwy were not built
> for and not intended for commuting.  They are good roads to be cautious
> perieod, yet when 14 was closed due to the Northidge earthquake issues
> around Sylmar, (Do you remember the Sylmar quake?) and a lot of folks were
> pretty muched forced to use those roads to get to the city for work or
> whatever, I was not impressed with the way folks chose to drive.  I was
> almost hit at least four times by oncoming traffic.  Lucky for me I
> anticipated it.  Bottom line is it's a dangerous mountain road and folks
> seem to think everything should be laid out for them all safe and neat.  I
> notice once you get away from the city folks things slow down and people
> actually drive at safe speeds.  Up along the 395 heading along the desert
> corridor and along the eastern Sierra there seems to be a larger presence of
> CHP and County Sherifs and a lot more folks pulled over for speeding etc...
>  Good.
> > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Carl Siechert wrote:
> > >
> > >> The money quote:
> > >>
> > >> Danny Macias, an equipment operator for Caltrans on his way to work in
> East
> > >> L.A. from Palmdale, had not taken the road since August. After weaving
> > >> around large boulders that had tumbled onto the road and watching
> rocks
> > >> falling from the barren hillsides, Macias was shaking.
> > >>
> > >> ?I?m terrified,? he said. ?I wouldn?t go up there. There?s rock slides
> > >> everywhere.?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, The Incredible Bulk <
> ki6asp at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Los Angeles Times | November 30, 2009 | 10:05 a.m.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Angeles Crest Highway reopened
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Angeles Crest Highway has been reopened for the first time since it
> was
> > >>> closed over the summer because of the Station fire. The reopening was
> > >>> delayed by high winds and rock slides.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Officials are urging drivers to use caution because crews are working
> to
> > >>> remove debris and the area remains windy.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Full story at:
> > >>>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/11/angeles-crest-highway.html<
> > >>> http://link.latimes.com/r/9UIJ7Y/R6VCK/2Z2517/DX0B3/6V1Q0M/QR/h>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:37:32 -0800
> From: Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Angeles Crest Highway Reopens
> To: Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> We'll have to wait and see how any rain effects the area, particularly the
> trail.
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Paul Bodnar wrote:
>
> >
> > Today I drove up highway 2 to Three Points (mile marker 403 on the PCT)
> to see the trail.  The trail looked better than I expected.  Fire damage was
> bad but it was nice to see unburned areas.
> >
> > I was impressed with the repair of the highway.  Almost every barrier and
> sign was replaced.  The road was in pretty good condition from La Canada to
> Three Points--about 30+ miles.  There were about five one way sections which
> required waiting for opposing traffic to pass.  But it wasn't too bad.  You
> can view some of my pictures at
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/pctdata/Hwy2Pictures#5410093017618599570
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:12:02 -0700
> From: jason moores <jmmoores at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking without the guide book??
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <SNT126-W5CF7D1897C708E0530E1FC1960 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
> I've hiked with the WP Guides and the Atlas and didn't care for either. The
> WP books are overly wordy and the maps too narrow in scope to route find. I
> found the Atlas to be flawed and way over priced for what they are. The
> Atlas maps are likewise useless for true route finding, being too broad in
> scope to show the necessary details. 99% of the time, both books are
> adequate for tracking where you are on the trail. But if lost, or on snow I
> wouldn't trust my life to them.
>
> I hiked for 500 miles with the Tom Harrison JMT maps and Halfmile's PCT
> maps and loved both. Easy to read, no unnecessary verbiage or misleading
> elevation profiles. If you are comfortable with reading maps you'll love
> Halfmile's. Paired with the data book info, water report and Yogi's town
> info and Sierra pass' descriptions you are ready to go. I was able to print
> out the Halfmile maps along the way and mailed sections ahead to places
> where this wouldn't have been possible. It would have been cheaper to print
> the maps at home but since my Atlas sections weren't ready when I needed
> them...I improvised. I don't think that the Halfmile maps are finished for
> Washington but do cover about three quarters of the trail.
>
> When I hit the trail in 2010 I'll be carring: Halfmile maps, data pages,
> water report and Yogi info.
>
> Jackass
>
> > From: newmanonthepct at gmail.com
> > To: brettcosner at yahoo.com
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:21:54 -0800
> > CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking without the guide book??
> >
> > Seems like you are planning tocarry some sort of info with maps so why
> > not check out the pct atlas.  All the info and just the right size and
> > weight if that is the concern.
> >
> > On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Brett Cosner <brettcosner at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone try hiking the PCT without the guide book?  I plan to hike
> > > this summer sobo and don't want to do many resupply boxes or mail
> > > drops.  I would start with some of the guide for Washington, but
> > > rely on maps and the data book after that.  I also plan to carry
> > > some pages of Yogi's guide.  I have people who will meet me in
> > > Washington, Northern and Central California so I will send them
> > > parts of the guide as well.
> > >
> > > How necessary are the official guides for all three states?
> > >
> > > Thanks, and all opinions welcome.  :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:47:22 -0800
> From: canoeman at qnet.com
> Subject: [pct-l] angeles national forest opened as well
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> the angeles national forest opened this morning as well.
> I'll drive it tomorrow and take some pics.
> canoeman
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:24:24 -0800
> From: "Hernandez" <hernand at magicriver.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking without the guide book??
> To: "'jason moores'" <jmmoores at hotmail.com>,    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I only read the WP books for directions a couple of times: once in SoCal,
> and another when I was night hiking past the "A" tree and missed where the
> trail kept going up the ridgeline.  Otherwise, I suffered the data book.  I
> loved the US Department of Agriculture's PCT Maps.  They are huge - I
> called
> them BAMs (Big Ass Maps), but they are beautiful.  I should mention I'm
> partial to maps... I really like maps.
>
> H.R. HuffnPuff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of jason moores
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:12 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking without the guide book??
>
>
> I've hiked with the WP Guides and the Atlas and didn't care for either. The
> WP books are overly wordy and the maps too narrow in scope to route find. I
> found the Atlas to be flawed and way over priced for what they are. The
> Atlas maps are likewise useless for true route finding, being too broad in
> scope to show the necessary details. 99% of the time, both books are
> adequate for tracking where you are on the trail. But if lost, or on snow I
> wouldn't trust my life to them.
>
> I hiked for 500 miles with the Tom Harrison JMT maps and Halfmile's PCT
> maps
> and loved both. Easy to read, no unnecessary verbiage or misleading
> elevation profiles. If you are comfortable with reading maps you'll love
> Halfmile's. Paired with the data book info, water report and Yogi's town
> info and Sierra pass' descriptions you are ready to go. I was able to print
> out the Halfmile maps along the way and mailed sections ahead to places
> where this wouldn't have been possible. It would have been cheaper to print
> the maps at home but since my Atlas sections weren't ready when I needed
> them...I improvised. I don't think that the Halfmile maps are finished for
> Washington but do cover about three quarters of the trail.
>
> When I hit the trail in 2010 I'll be carring: Halfmile maps, data pages,
> water report and Yogi info.
>
> Jackass
>
> > From: newmanonthepct at gmail.com
> > To: brettcosner at yahoo.com
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:21:54 -0800
> > CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking without the guide book??
> >
> > Seems like you are planning tocarry some sort of info with maps so why
> > not check out the pct atlas.  All the info and just the right size and
> > weight if that is the concern.
> >
> > On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Brett Cosner <brettcosner at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone try hiking the PCT without the guide book?  I plan to hike
> > > this summer sobo and don't want to do many resupply boxes or mail
> > > drops.  I would start with some of the guide for Washington, but
> > > rely on maps and the data book after that.  I also plan to carry
> > > some pages of Yogi's guide.  I have people who will meet me in
> > > Washington, Northern and Central California so I will send them
> > > parts of the guide as well.
> > >
> > > How necessary are the official guides for all three states?
> > >
> > > Thanks, and all opinions welcome.  :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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