[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 16, Issue 20
Georgi Heitman
bobbnweav at gmail.com
Fri Apr 3 20:16:55 CDT 2009
To Mark and Josh
OMG...at the expense of sounding rude...
Knock it off already!!!
FireFly
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> 1. Ice Axe and Crampons (ruckman1968 at aol.com)
> 2. Re: Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT (Paul)
> 3. Re: Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
> (Donna Saufley)
> 4. Re: Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT (Josh)
> 5. Re: Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
> (patti kulesz)
> 6. Re: Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT (Josh)
> 7. Re: Mountain lions and hunting (Josh)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:11:20 -0400
> From: ruckman1968 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Ice Axe and Crampons
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8CB82C8A21C9315-8E4-130E at webmail-dh39.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Ice Axe and Crampons
>
> i'm thru hiking the PCT this year and wanted to ask if anyone had
> "loaners". please let me know if you or other hikers you know arent using
> theirs this year and wouldnt mind loaning them out. i'm willing to arrange
> for compensation/collateral if there is a need for this. any help is very
> appreciated. give me your ideas on this. thank you.
> Leapyear
>
> ruckman1968 at aol.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 00:14:01 +0100
> From: Paul <paul_c at tuxcnc.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the
> PCT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <200904040014.01818.paul_c at tuxcnc.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Saturday 04 April 2009, patti kulesz wrote:
> > man everyone gets to have fun ...I have NEVER seen anything but
> > squirrels...ok I lied I saw some Marmots on Donahue a few years ago...but
> > thats it....I want some action! LOL I hike and camp alone ALOT and never
> > see anything...I've even looked for the critters when there has been
> > sightings and NOTHING! what the heck?
>
> Lemme think....Seen black bears on five different occasions, marmots
> aplenty,
> porcupine, wild turkey, great eagle, snakes galore, Switchback, and other
> trail pirates. But no big cats.
>
> Tread lightly, keep your eyes open, and listen to the wind - The wildlife
> is
> out there.
>
>
> Regards, Paul.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:15:21 -0700
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the
> PCT
> To: "'patti kulesz'" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, "'Len Glassner'"
> <len5742 at gmail.com>, "'PCT-1'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000b01c9b4b2$101d3de0$3057b9a0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> My list of wild animals seen (the reason I love to get out there!)
>
>
>
> Bears 6
>
> Mtn. Lions 2
>
> Bobcats 1
>
> Fox 6
>
> Coyotes innumerable
>
> Pine marten 1
>
> Antelope dozens
>
> Elk hundreds (Colorado migration is
> a sight to behold)
>
> Marmots dozens
>
> Pikas 1
>
>
>
> I get so excited when I see creatures in their native environments, doing
> what they do. Never had a problem with any of them . . . except the demon
> squirrel at Grouse Meadow . . . but that's another story!
>
>
>
> L-Rod
>
>
>
> From: patti kulesz [mailto:peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:01 PM
> To: 'Len Glassner'; 'PCT-1'; Donna Saufley
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
>
>
>
>
> man everyone gets to have fun ...I have NEVER seen anything but
> squirrels...ok I lied I saw some Marmots on Donahue a few years ago...but
> thats it....I want some action! LOL I hike and camp alone ALOT and never
> see
> anything...I've even looked for the critters when there has been sightings
> and NOTHING! what the heck?
>
> patti <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/50.gif>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
> To: "'Len Glassner'" <len5742 at gmail.com>, "'PCT-1'" <pct-l at backcountry.net
> >
> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 3:07 PM
>
> Some factoids about Shambala . . . Roar Foundation was founded by Tippi
> Hedren, who, amongst her many lifetime accomplishments, starred in Alfred
> Hitchcock's "The Birds".
>
> If you take the Metrolink Train between Santa Clarita and
> Palmdale/Lancaster, you go right past Shambala and can see the lions,
> tigers, and elephants.
>
> It's a local rumor that a leopard escaped a few years ago, and is running
> wild someone in the local mountains. No idea of it's factual, but without
> any escapees, we have plenty of sightings of bobcats and mountain lions,
> and
> occasionally even bears.
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Len Glassner
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:18 PM
> To: PCT-1
> Subject: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
>
> Last year I camped near the power lines just north of Soledad Canyon
> Road (around mile 446). Darkness brought the sound of periodic
> ROARing. Hmmm...the map does say I'm in or near Bobcat Canyon, but
> this sounds like...more.
>
> Turned out that this place is somewhere nearby -
>
> http://www.shambala.org/
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:17:09 -0700
> From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the
> PCT
> To: "'Paul'" <paul_c at tuxcnc.org>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E2211343FC5649F39A2345736CB23AB5 at office>
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>
> Paul,
> UR one of the lucky ones! J/K
>
> What eagle is the "Great Eagle"? Golden Eagle maybe? "Trail Pirates"?
> LMAO!
>
> Josh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:14 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
>
> On Saturday 04 April 2009, patti kulesz wrote:
> > man everyone gets to have fun ...I have NEVER seen anything but
> > squirrels...ok I lied I saw some Marmots on Donahue a few years
> > ago...but thats it....I want some action! LOL I hike and camp alone
> > ALOT and never see anything...I've even looked for the critters when
> > there has been sightings and NOTHING! what the heck?
>
> Lemme think....Seen black bears on five different occasions, marmots
> aplenty, porcupine, wild turkey, great eagle, snakes galore, Switchback,
> and
> other trail pirates. But no big cats.
>
> Tread lightly, keep your eyes open, and listen to the wind - The wildlife
> is
> out there.
>
>
> Regards, Paul.
> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:22:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the
> PCT
> To: 'Len Glassner' <len5742 at gmail.com>, 'PCT-1'
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com
> >
> Message-ID: <616342.10050.qm at web54404.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> o yeh I've seen some coyotes too...hehe forgot about those gorgeous little
> critters...they're everywhere out here in the valley so I just think of them
> as another dog wandering the neighborhood lol
>
> patti
>
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> From: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
> To: "'patti kulesz'" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, "'Len Glassner'" <
> len5742 at gmail.com>, "'PCT-1'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:15 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My list of wild animals seen (the reason I love to get out
> there!)
>
> ?
>
> ??????????????? Bears???? ??????????????? 6
>
> ??????????????? Mtn.
> Lions ????????? 2
>
> ??????????????? Bobcats??????????????? 1
>
> ??????????????? Fox???????????????????????? 6
>
> ??????????????? Coyotes?????????????? innumerable
>
> ??????????????? Pine
> marten?????? 1
>
> ??????????????? Antelope???????????? dozens
>
> ??????????????? Elk????????????????????????? hundreds
> (Colorado migration is a sight to behold)
>
> ??????????????? Marmots???????????? dozens
>
> ??????????????? Pikas????????????????????? 1
>
> ?
>
> I get so excited when I see creatures in their native
> environments, doing what they do.? Never had a problem with any of them .
> . . except the demon squirrel at Grouse Meadow . . . but that?s another
> story!
>
> ?
>
> L-Rod
>
> ?
>
>
>
> From: patti kulesz
> [mailto:peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com]
>
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:01 PM
>
> To: 'Len Glassner'; 'PCT-1'; Donna Saufley
>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the
> PCT
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
>
> man everyone gets to have fun
> ...I have NEVER seen anything but squirrels...ok I lied I saw some Marmots
> on
> Donahue a few years ago...but thats it....I want some action! LOL I hike
> and
> camp alone ALOT and never see anything...I've even looked for the critters
> when there has been sightings and NOTHING! what the heck?
>
>
> patti
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
>
> To: "'Len Glassner'" <len5742 at gmail.com>, "'PCT-1'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>
> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 3:07 PM
>
> Some factoids about Shambala . . . Roar Foundation was
> founded by Tippi
>
> Hedren, who, amongst her many lifetime accomplishments, starred in Alfred
>
> Hitchcock's "The Birds".
>
>
>
> If you take the Metrolink Train between Santa Clarita and
>
> Palmdale/Lancaster, you go right past Shambala and can see the lions,
>
> tigers, and elephants.?
>
>
>
> It's a local rumor that a leopard escaped a few years ago, and is running
>
> wild someone in the local mountains.? No idea of it's factual, but
> without
>
> any escapees, we have plenty of sightings of bobcats and mountain lions,
> and
>
> occasionally even bears.
>
>
>
> L-Rod
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>
> On Behalf Of Len Glassner
>
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:18 PM
>
> To: PCT-1
>
> Subject: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
>
>
>
> Last year I camped near the power lines just north of Soledad Canyon
>
> Road (around mile 446). Darkness brought the sound of periodic
>
> ROARing.? Hmmm...the map does say I'm in or near Bobcat Canyon, but
>
> this sounds like...more.
>
>
>
> Turned out that this place is somewhere nearby -
>
>
>
> http://www.shambala.org/
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:25:41 -0700
> From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the
> PCT
> To: "'patti kulesz'" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, "'Len Glassner'"
> <len5742 at gmail.com>, "'PCT-1'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "'Donna
> Saufley'" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Message-ID: <95E0287A1D6240E78E4CDB768CE79D39 at office>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Ditto on all of L-Rod's sightings EXCEPT for the cats! :( I THINK I've
> seen
> a bobcat at a distance, but it was dusk & my eyes could have just been
> playing tricks on me. I have seen all the cats at a nearby Wild Cat
> "Park"...but none in the wild. :(
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of patti kulesz
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:22 PM
> To: 'Len Glassner'; 'PCT-1'; Donna Saufley
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
>
> o yeh I've seen some coyotes too...hehe forgot about those gorgeous little
> critters...they're everywhere out here in the valley so I just think of
> them
> as another dog wandering the neighborhood lol
>
> patti
>
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> From: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
> To: "'patti kulesz'" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, "'Len Glassner'"
> <len5742 at gmail.com>, "'PCT-1'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:15 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My list of wild animals seen (the reason I love to get out
> there!)
>
> ?
>
> ??????????????? Bears???? ??????????????? 6
>
> ??????????????? Mtn.
> Lions ????????? 2
>
> ??????????????? Bobcats??????????????? 1
>
> ??????????????? Fox???????????????????????? 6
>
> ??????????????? Coyotes?????????????? innumerable
>
> ??????????????? Pine
> marten?????? 1
>
> ??????????????? Antelope???????????? dozens
>
> ??????????????? Elk????????????????????????? hundreds (Colorado migration
> is
> a sight to behold)
>
> ??????????????? Marmots???????????? dozens
>
> ??????????????? Pikas????????????????????? 1
>
> ?
>
> I get so excited when I see creatures in their native environments, doing
> what they do.? Never had a problem with any of them .
> . . except the demon squirrel at Grouse Meadow . . . but that?s another
> story!
>
> ?
>
> L-Rod
>
> ?
>
>
>
> From: patti kulesz
> [mailto:peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com]
>
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:01 PM
>
> To: 'Len Glassner'; 'PCT-1'; Donna Saufley
>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
>
> man everyone gets to have fun
> ...I have NEVER seen anything but squirrels...ok I lied I saw some Marmots
> on
> Donahue a few years ago...but thats it....I want some action! LOL I hike
> and
> camp alone ALOT and never see anything...I've even looked for the critters
> when there has been sightings and NOTHING! what the heck?
>
>
> patti
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
>
> To: "'Len Glassner'" <len5742 at gmail.com>, "'PCT-1'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>
> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 3:07 PM
>
> Some factoids about Shambala . . . Roar Foundation was
> founded by Tippi
>
> Hedren, who, amongst her many lifetime accomplishments, starred in Alfred
>
> Hitchcock's "The Birds".
>
>
>
> If you take the Metrolink Train between Santa Clarita and
>
> Palmdale/Lancaster, you go right past Shambala and can see the lions,
>
> tigers, and elephants.?
>
>
>
> It's a local rumor that a leopard escaped a few years ago, and is running
>
> wild someone in the local mountains.? No idea of it's factual, but
> without
>
> any escapees, we have plenty of sightings of bobcats and mountain lions,
> and
>
> occasionally even bears.
>
>
>
> L-Rod
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>
> On Behalf Of Len Glassner
>
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:18 PM
>
> To: PCT-1
>
> Subject: [pct-l] Lion (not the mountain variety) Encounters on the PCT
>
>
>
> Last year I camped near the power lines just north of Soledad Canyon
>
> Road (around mile 446). Darkness brought the sound of periodic
>
> ROARing.? Hmmm...the map does say I'm in or near Bobcat Canyon, but
>
> this sounds like...more.
>
>
>
> Turned out that this place is somewhere nearby -
>
>
>
> http://www.shambala.org/
>
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>
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>
>
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>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:33:55 -0700
> From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> To: "'mark v'" <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <B7516D6929174AA29779705D72B3FFA3 at office>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> OMG...Not only are U misrepresenting the truth, but...I won't even go there
> with U...
>
> Here are copies of my messages TO YOU:
>
> 04/02 11:49PM:
> "Mark,
> And once the mountain lion pounces on U and its 1st attempt is foiled by
> the
> pack, what is your defense in the pitch-black darkness of the mountains cuz
> he's sure not gonna run-off just cuz UR not dead yet???......."
>
> 04/03 12:37AM:
> "Mark,
> This is going from the practical to the absurd. Walking around with a
> pulled knife or gun in hand??? C'mon! I DO TOTALLY AGREE with U on the
> astronomical improbability of a mountain lion attack, but that's not the
> only practical reason to carry a gun or knife while on a trek through the
> wilderness...."
>
> 04/03 01:53PM:
> ""...keep your guns off the trail..."???"
>
> 04/03 01:57PM:
> ""...more lions are hunted down now than at any time in history." Where is
> this coming from??? J/W, Josh"
>
> 04/03 02:00PM:
> "UR statement wasn't in the form of a "suggestion" nor was my statement
> "it's a good idea to carry a gun on the PCT...". Let's keep things in
> context and pertinent. Josh"
>
> Of ALL of those messages ONLY the one re-posted to the forum was the 04/03
> 01:57PM one where you had replied @ 02:22PM with:
> "California State Department of Fish and Game"
> And I explained that the reason for that was a very pertinent link.
>
> Mark,
> I had NOT intended this to become so personal...nor have I intentionally
> been abrasive or argumentative...although that's were this convo had
> arrived. I apologize for hurting your feelings and will try to be extra
> careful to click on the "Reply All" button in future dealings with you.
>
> Don't feel compelled to reply, ok?
>
> Josh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark v [mailto:allemande6 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:04 PM
> To: Josh
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; bobnweav at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
>
>
> Please stop emailing me. I respond to the list only when you send your
> message to the list. If someone does not have the list in their "to" or
> "cc" field, it's obvious that email isn't meant for the list.
>
> You were sending messages to the list, then seperate ones to me calling me
> out. Then i responded to you, and you copied my response in a message to
> the list. If you don't get what's wrong with that, i can't help anymore.
>
> I've backed up all my statements in my posts to the list. Nobody else is
> calling for further documentation beyond what i've already given, and i'm
> not inclined to waste any more time on this for you.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Josh <559josh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> > To: "'mark v'" <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, bobnweav at gmail.com
> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 5:26 PM
> > Not sure how U can call it stupid considering that all of the past
> > conversations were included in my post. Sounds to me like you didn't
> > appreciate being called on your statement which I am still
> > waiting/looking for to find a documented reference.
> >
> > The reason that I posted to the Server is that the link I included is
> > quite pertinent to the direction that the initial post has taken.
> >
> > As far as 15 messages in 15hrs...how many of those were btwn the 2 of
> > us solely and not as the part of the online "conversation"???
> > 2...3??? I sincerely have no interest in "talking to you" as an
> > individual...if I did, then I would have given you my phone #...but as
> > long as PCT-I is running...and I come across posts that spark my
> > interest, I will continue to reply as I see fit. As the professor
> > that you are, I'm not sure why conversing civilly rubs you the wrong
> > way anyway.
> > <confused>
> >
> > Here's another link regarding CA DFG:
> > http://www.dfg.ca.gov/publications/docs/history.pdf
> >
> > 2008 CA Hunting Regulation:
> > http://www.dfg.ca.gov/regulations/08-09-wf-uplnd-lands-regs.pdf
> > The ONLY reference to Mountain Lions: 251.5--Possession of Live
> > Mountain Lions
> >
> > 1972 to 2007 Chart of Lions Killed under Depredation
> > Permits:
> > http://www.dfg.ca.gov/news/issues/lion/dep-lions-killed.html
> >
> >
> > Posted by Georgi/FireFly:
> > "Correct...in CA, they're protected by law.
> > Contracted hunters are allowed,
> > tho they usually track with dogs that tree the cat so they stand no
> > chance of escape, which, unless there's been an attack on a human that
> > requires a hunt down and destroy decision, seems somewhat
> > unsportsmanlike. Ranchers are supposed to get a deprivation permit if
> > livestock is being taken, but most ranchers tend to not wait, and take
> > a 'shoot first and bury immediately' attitude if they're lucky enough
> > to spot the offending cat when they've a rifle in hand. This makes
> > sense to me...they may never get another chance. Most ranchers around
> > here don't keep hunting/tracking dogs, mostly working herd dogs that
> > may try to protect livestock and become victims themselves. A good
> > herd dog is worth hundreds of $ and are prized by their owners.
> > FireFly"
> >
> > Legally, dogs cannot be used to carry-out depredation permit
> > kills...maybe they can by Govt. Contracted Hunters. Not sure there.
> > If I was a rancher & I saw one (cougar, bear, whatever) attacking
> > something of mine, I'd shoot 1st & sort things out later too!
> >
> > And while I agree that it may be unsportsmanlike, I kinda like that
> > fact insomuch that while there's a part of me that feels that the
> > cougar should have a fighting chance at survival, there's the other
> > part of me that feels that since we (the rest of us) can't hunt them,
> > it's shouldn't be "fun" for the permit holders either...if that made
> > any sense. Lol
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mark v [mailto:allemande6 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:36 PM
> > To: Josh
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> >
> >
> > Josh, when i'm emailing a reply to you personally, it's really stupid
> > and inappropriate to copy it on a reply to the listserv.
> > Please leave me alone.
> > I've received something like 15 emails from you in 15 hours now.
> >
> > My sources are easily found from googling mountain lion attack
> > statistics.
> > I trust them over your word.
>
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