[pct-l] 8-10? day JMT thru-hike
herbstroh at charter.net
herbstroh at charter.net
Sat Oct 25 17:46:10 CDT 2008
While it is doable in 8-10 days, my sense is that you will regret being on
such a strict time line. Most would agree that the JMT is one of the most
beautiful trails in the US. To be even on a 10 day schedule will leave
little time to experience this magnificent area.
Even being in great shape, this time line will be physcially demanding.
There will be some 2-pass-a-day days. I like challenges, but I don't think
that would be fun. Taking a rest day at very hiker friendly VR is
considered a highlight of the trip by many JMT thru hikers.
If the time can't be expanded, maybe break the trip in half. That will give
you time to drop the packs and bag a couple non-technical peaks. Or wet a
line in one of the hundreds of lakes you pass. Or take a dip in the hot
springs.
One strategy pursued by some south bounds with a car support is to hike
with day-packs from Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows and pick up full
packs there. Traveling light, you can get some real distance realtively
easisly that first day.
I am planning a JMT thru hike with my son around that time as well. But we
are hoping to make it a 14 day trip so we have some play time. I will waive
to you as you go by :)
Herb
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From: laura wolff lauraewolff at gmail.com
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:43:07 -0400
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 8-10? day JMT thru-hike
I hiked the JMT last summer in 14 days with 3 rest days. It was a leisurely
pace in some sense, with some longer days. 8-10 days is doable, but it's
definitely pushing it. I met two brothers who hiked it in 7 days. If you
only have 8-10 days, maybe consider starting at Tuolumne Meadows. I think
13-14 days with one rest day would be a better plan. I am athletic and in
shape, but my feet hurt after long days of hiking. I had 10 days worth of
food after VVR (although I didn't use it all), and hiked 22 miles that
day carrying 40 pounds. That day was difficult on my feet. Anyway, if
you're not used to long-distance hiking, even if you're in good shape, 8-10
days is very quick! and not the best plan if you have the ability to spend
more time on the trail.
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> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:40:07 -0700
> From: "Jonathan Blees" <Jblees at energy.state.ca.us>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] base weights and ultralight packs
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>,"Bill" <BillBatch at cox.net>, "'Patrick'"
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> I already carry SEVERAL of those!
> <<<
>
> >>> "Bill" <BillBatch at cox.net> 10/24/2008 4:35 PM >>>
> <snip> Next year, I am coming out with my own pack design that is
> actually
> buoyant. The name of the pack is only a working name, but we are
> considering calling it The Fart as it weighs less than your average
> flatulence.
> <<<
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: mark v <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Misleading, just a bit
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Before you get TOO excited about trying to copy Nimblewill's pack weight,
> keep in mind that he had a support van. His self-professed Rules #1-3 for
> ultralight backpacking: "PUT IT IN THE VAN!"
>
> I was one who was rarely carrying more than 2 liters of water in the
> desert, and rarely more than 1 liter in the Sierra. I regularly ran out
of
> water a couple miles before the next source, on purpose. Why carry it to
> the next source and drink it there? But, there were certainly times when
i
> did carry 4-5 liters. Before you go overboard with carrying less water,
> make sure you differentiate between SURE water sources (plan to run out
> early) and POSSIBLE water sources (carry extra just in case). Any cache
is
> only a POSSIBLE source, unless you have information that's very very
> up-to-date.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:57:04 -0700
> From: "kcristler" <kerouc at verizon.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] YITOOD
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> hello,hikers. what do YITOOD and YMMV stand for?
> Kerry
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> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:28 -0700
> From: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] YITOOD
> To: kcristler <kerouc at verizon.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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> Kerry wrote:
> >
> hello,hikers. what do YITOOD and YMMV stand for?
> >
>
> Never heard of the first one, but a web search reveals it to be "yours in
> the out of doors". The second is "your mileage may vary", which is of
> course the standard disclaimer issued by car manufacturers whenever they
> talk about gas mileage ratings.
>
> Eric
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> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:47:44 -0700
> From: "Ralph Alcorn" <rbalcorn at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] base weights and ultralight packs & water use
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I don't think Nimblewill would recommend that his water plan be followed.
I
> met him in Oregon this summer, and talked with him a few minutes. At
least
> in Oregon, he had a friend doing car support, so only needed to carry
> enough
> water to get him through the day. If you have a known water source ahead,
> then you can go a little lighter than otherwise.
>
> Ralph Alcorn
> http://www.backpack45.com/pct.html
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:05:57 -0500
> From: "Scott Davis" <smdmd141 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] JMT thru hiking
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> My 18 yo son and I, along with another father and 20 year old daughter are
> planning to hike the entire JMT southbound beginning late July 2009. As
our
> time available is limited, what is the shortest reasonable number of days
> to
> hike the entire trail? We are planning to hike with packs weighing 25 lbs
> maximum and are all in excellent, athletic condition. We are hoping to
> complete the trail in 8-10 days with 1 pick-up at Muir Trail Ranch. Any
> thoughts/recommendations will be greatly appreciated.
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:24:22 -0700
> From: "Robert Snook" <verdick at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ulralite
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hmm, what about using some webbing and using your ground tarp or
> tent/tarptent as the backpack? That could work as some doubling up of
> items. Hmm...
>
>
>
> Robert Snook
> Verdick '05
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:53:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JOHN F PATTERSON <yuppatt at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] " Base weights . . . " Six
> To: diane at santabarbarahikes.com
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> Hi Diane - =0A=A0 It was strongly urged that we not stop / overnight
> headin=
> g north from the border until we reached the County Park - some 20 or so
> mi=
> les away . Bob in San Diego had graciously housed me until I commenced my
> h=
> ike . He drove myself and a couple to the border early , early one May
> five=
> morning. =0A=A0 One of the other folks urged me ( reminded me ) to be
> sure=
> to carry the requisite 6 quarts . Almost arrogantly ( probably arrogantly
> =
> ) I disdained / declined and maybe had three=A0plus . =0A=A0 Fifteen miles
> =
> along on a typical hot day I ran out . =0A=A0 I had tucked myself in under
> =
> the - what is that shrub called ? I tucked myself in and gained what shade
> =
> it had . Voila ! Along came Frank ( from La Belle Provence - Quebec ) and
> t=
> wo wonderful gals ( can ' t remember where from . ) I asked for water .
> The=
> y had plenty and in no way begrudged me . =0A=A0 On we went . =0A=A0 Maybe
> =
> nine through hikers ( and a ' jogger ' ! ) came through that day . Most
> pas=
> sed me. At Hauser Canyon ( just where the books most warn you not to
> overni=
> ght ) I ran out again ! Yikes .=A0And as likely you know there is that
> expo=
> sed switchback' lift ' of maybe 800 or 900 feet just beyond and then maybe
> =
> three miles to the park . =0A=A0 I took off my pack and relaxed in the
> tall=
> grass after assuring myself Hauser Creek was totally not available to
> parc=
> hed creatures such as myself . Whoa ! =0A=A0 I talked to Rafter Jack .
> Ster=
> nly=A0: =0A=A0 " What in blazes do you think you are doing here ? There is
> =
> absolutely NO way you are going to get to Canada behaving like this . "
> =0A=
> =A0 Sea change . =0A=A0 After maybe two hours in which I worked to wait
> pat=
> iently=A0, Frank and the wonderful ' girls ' ( who wore parasols -
> brightly=
> colored , tucked between their packs and their backs ) came along=A0.
=0A=
> =A0 It was not a sure thing that they - or anyone , were still behind me .
> =
> =0A=A0 And again they were munificent ( the very next day a hiker came
> thro=
> ugh who HAD , perhaps foolishly - decided to stay over at Hauser and
> during=
> the night five ' illegals ' had awoken him at two A M and taken=A0 his
> wat=
> er . His buddies gave him the trail name , " Cotton Mouth " when he
> trailed=
> in after hiking that lift and the balance of three or so miles w / o
> water=
> the next day . )=0A=A0 Maybe ' six '=A0needs to stand . . . here and
> there=
> ?=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Rafter Jack
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> <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;}
> --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york,
> times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>Hi Diane - </DIV>
> <DIV> It was strongly urged that we not stop / overnight heading
> north from the border until we reached the County Park - some 20 or so
miles
> away . Bob in San Diego had graciously housed me until I commenced my
hike .
> He drove myself and a couple to the border early , early one May five
> morning. </DIV>
> <DIV> One of the other folks urged me ( reminded me ) to be sure to
> carry the requisite 6 quarts . Almost arrogantly ( probably arrogantly ) I
> disdained / declined and maybe had three plus . </DIV>
> <DIV> Fifteen miles along on a typical hot day I ran out . </DIV>
> <DIV> I had tucked myself in under the - what is that shrub called ?
> I tucked myself in and gained what shade it had . Voila ! Along came
Frank (
> from La Belle Provence - Quebec ) and two wonderful gals ( can ' t
remember
> where from . ) I asked for water . They had plenty and in no way begrudged
> me . </DIV>
> <DIV> On we went . </DIV>
> <DIV> Maybe nine through hikers ( and a ' jogger ' ! ) came through
> that day . Most passed me. At Hauser Canyon ( just where the books most
warn
> you not to overnight ) I ran out again ! Yikes . And as likely you know
> there is that exposed switchback' lift ' of maybe 800 or 900 feet just
> beyond and then maybe three miles to the park . </DIV>
> <DIV> I took off my pack and relaxed in the tall grass after assuring
> myself Hauser Creek was totally not available to parched creatures such as
> myself . Whoa ! </DIV>
> <DIV> I talked to Rafter Jack . Sternly : </DIV>
> <DIV> " What in blazes do you think you are doing here ? There is
> absolutely NO way you are going to get to Canada behaving like this . "
> </DIV>
> <DIV> Sea change . </DIV>
> <DIV> After maybe two hours in which I worked to wait
> patiently , Frank and the wonderful ' girls ' ( who wore parasols -
> brightly colored , tucked between their packs and their backs ) came
> along . </DIV>
> <DIV> It was not a sure thing that they - or anyone , were still
> behind me . </DIV>
> <DIV> And again they were munificent ( the very next day a hiker came
> through who HAD , perhaps foolishly - decided to stay over at Hauser and
> during the night five ' illegals ' had awoken him at two A M and taken
> his water . His buddies gave him the trail name , " Cotton Mouth " when he
> trailed in after hiking that lift and the balance of three or so miles w
/ o
> water the next day . )</DIV>
> <DIV> Maybe ' six ' needs to stand . . . here and there ?</DIV>
> <DIV> Rafter Jack
> </DIV></div></body></html>
> --0-585269098-1224949988=:63973--
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:22:18 -0400
> From: "Will Hiltz" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] YITOOD
> To: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <739c11e60810250922m1e42840td6f046defb4fd77 at mail.gmail.com>
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> YITOOD is my favorite, and Eric is quite right, it is "Yours in the Out of
> Doors"
>
>
>
> YITOOD,
>
> Easy
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Eric Lee (GAMES) <elee at microsoft.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Kerry wrote:
> > >
> > hello,hikers. what do YITOOD and YMMV stand for?
> > >
> >
> > Never heard of the first one, but a web search reveals it to be "yours
in
> > the out of doors". The second is "your mileage may vary", which is of
> > course the standard disclaimer issued by car manufacturers whenever they
> > talk about gas mileage ratings.
> >
> > Eric
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