[pct-l] 8-10? day JMT thru-hike
Patrick
meta474 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 25 17:06:01 CDT 2008
A person in thru-hiking shape, with a light pack, in late july or so,
could easily do this trail in 7 days. However, it becomes a question
of if you WANT to cruise through it in 7 days. On the PCT, going
through this area, we used to take naps on the passes and go swimming
in the (cold) streams. On a 7 day schedule, taking time out for these
things mid-day would be more difficult.
On Oct 25, 2008, at 2:43 PM, laura wolff wrote:
> I hiked the JMT last summer in 14 days with 3 rest days. It was a
> leisurely
> pace in some sense, with some longer days. 8-10 days is doable, but
> it's
> definitely pushing it. I met two brothers who hiked it in 7 days.
> If you
> only have 8-10 days, maybe consider starting at Tuolumne Meadows. I
> think
> 13-14 days with one rest day would be a better plan. I am athletic
> and in
> shape, but my feet hurt after long days of hiking. I had 10 days
> worth of
> food after VVR (although I didn't use it all), and hiked 22 miles that
> day carrying 40 pounds. That day was difficult on my feet. Anyway,
> if
> you're not used to long-distance hiking, even if you're in good
> shape, 8-10
> days is very quick! and not the best plan if you have the ability
> to spend
> more time on the trail.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM, <pct-l-request at backcountry.net>
> wrote:
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>> 1. Re: base weights and ultralight packs (Jonathan Blees)
>> 2. Re: Misleading, just a bit (mark v)
>> 3. YITOOD (kcristler)
>> 4. Re: YITOOD (Eric Lee (GAMES))
>> 5. Re: base weights and ultralight packs & water use (Ralph Alcorn)
>> 6. JMT thru hiking (Scott Davis)
>> 7. ulralite (Robert Snook)
>> 8. " Base weights . . . " Six (JOHN F PATTERSON)
>> 9. Re: YITOOD (Will Hiltz)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:40:07 -0700
>> From: "Jonathan Blees" <Jblees at energy.state.ca.us>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] base weights and ultralight packs
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>,"Bill" <BillBatch at cox.net>, "'Patrick'"
>> <meta474 at gmail.com>
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>> I already carry SEVERAL of those!
>> <<<
>>
>>>>> "Bill" <BillBatch at cox.net> 10/24/2008 4:35 PM >>>
>> <snip> Next year, I am coming out with my own pack design that is
>> actually
>> buoyant. The name of the pack is only a working name, but we are
>> considering calling it The Fart as it weighs less than your average
>> flatulence.
>> <<<
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: mark v <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Misleading, just a bit
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <409957.17818.qm at web53909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>>
>>
>> Before you get TOO excited about trying to copy Nimblewill's pack
>> weight,
>> keep in mind that he had a support van. His self-professed Rules
>> #1-3 for
>> ultralight backpacking: "PUT IT IN THE VAN!"
>>
>> I was one who was rarely carrying more than 2 liters of water in the
>> desert, and rarely more than 1 liter in the Sierra. I regularly
>> ran out of
>> water a couple miles before the next source, on purpose. Why carry
>> it to
>> the next source and drink it there? But, there were certainly
>> times when i
>> did carry 4-5 liters. Before you go overboard with carrying less
>> water,
>> make sure you differentiate between SURE water sources (plan to run
>> out
>> early) and POSSIBLE water sources (carry extra just in case). Any
>> cache is
>> only a POSSIBLE source, unless you have information that's very very
>> up-to-date.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:57:04 -0700
>> From: "kcristler" <kerouc at verizon.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] YITOOD
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <D2E2EE76F0A646D69432283C1A286BD0 at YOUR6EA8154886>
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>> hello,hikers. what do YITOOD and YMMV stand for?
>> Kerry
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:28 -0700
>> From: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] YITOOD
>> To: kcristler <kerouc at verizon.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
>> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>> Kerry wrote:
>>>
>> hello,hikers. what do YITOOD and YMMV stand for?
>>>
>>
>> Never heard of the first one, but a web search reveals it to be
>> "yours in
>> the out of doors". The second is "your mileage may vary", which is
>> of
>> course the standard disclaimer issued by car manufacturers whenever
>> they
>> talk about gas mileage ratings.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:47:44 -0700
>> From: "Ralph Alcorn" <rbalcorn at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] base weights and ultralight packs & water use
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>> I don't think Nimblewill would recommend that his water plan be
>> followed. I
>> met him in Oregon this summer, and talked with him a few minutes.
>> At least
>> in Oregon, he had a friend doing car support, so only needed to carry
>> enough
>> water to get him through the day. If you have a known water source
>> ahead,
>> then you can go a little lighter than otherwise.
>>
>> Ralph Alcorn
>> http://www.backpack45.com/pct.html
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:05:57 -0500
>> From: "Scott Davis" <smdmd141 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] JMT thru hiking
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>> My 18 yo son and I, along with another father and 20 year old
>> daughter are
>> planning to hike the entire JMT southbound beginning late July
>> 2009. As our
>> time available is limited, what is the shortest reasonable number
>> of days
>> to
>> hike the entire trail? We are planning to hike with packs weighing
>> 25 lbs
>> maximum and are all in excellent, athletic condition. We are
>> hoping to
>> complete the trail in 8-10 days with 1 pick-up at Muir Trail
>> Ranch. Any
>> thoughts/recommendations will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:24:22 -0700
>> From: "Robert Snook" <verdick at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] ulralite
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <2d6ef3c10810242324i29563fa6xae59b6403cd35654 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Hmm, what about using some webbing and using your ground tarp or
>> tent/tarptent as the backpack? That could work as some doubling up
>> of
>> items. Hmm...
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Snook
>> Verdick '05
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:53:08 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: JOHN F PATTERSON <yuppatt at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] " Base weights . . . " Six
>> To: diane at santabarbarahikes.com
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <449010.63973.qm at web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>> Hi Diane - =0A=A0 It was strongly urged that we not stop / overnight
>> headin=
>> g north from the border until we reached the County Park - some 20
>> or so
>> mi=
>> les away . Bob in San Diego had graciously housed me until I
>> commenced my
>> h=
>> ike . He drove myself and a couple to the border early , early one
>> May
>> five=
>> morning. =0A=A0 One of the other folks urged me ( reminded me ) to be
>> sure=
>> to carry the requisite 6 quarts . Almost arrogantly ( probably
>> arrogantly
>> =
>> ) I disdained / declined and maybe had three=A0plus . =0A=A0
>> Fifteen miles
>> =
>> along on a typical hot day I ran out . =0A=A0 I had tucked myself
>> in under
>> =
>> the - what is that shrub called ? I tucked myself in and gained
>> what shade
>> =
>> it had . Voila ! Along came Frank ( from La Belle Provence -
>> Quebec ) and
>> t=
>> wo wonderful gals ( can ' t remember where from . ) I asked for
>> water .
>> The=
>> y had plenty and in no way begrudged me . =0A=A0 On we went .
>> =0A=A0 Maybe
>> =
>> nine through hikers ( and a ' jogger ' ! ) came through that day .
>> Most
>> pas=
>> sed me. At Hauser Canyon ( just where the books most warn you not to
>> overni=
>> ght ) I ran out again ! Yikes .=A0And as likely you know there is
>> that
>> expo=
>> sed switchback' lift ' of maybe 800 or 900 feet just beyond and
>> then maybe
>> =
>> three miles to the park . =0A=A0 I took off my pack and relaxed in
>> the
>> tall=
>> grass after assuring myself Hauser Creek was totally not available to
>> parc=
>> hed creatures such as myself . Whoa ! =0A=A0 I talked to Rafter
>> Jack .
>> Ster=
>> nly=A0: =0A=A0 " What in blazes do you think you are doing here ?
>> There is
>> =
>> absolutely NO way you are going to get to Canada behaving like
>> this . "
>> =0A=
>> =A0 Sea change . =0A=A0 After maybe two hours in which I worked to
>> wait
>> pat=
>> iently=A0, Frank and the wonderful ' girls ' ( who wore parasols -
>> brightly=
>> colored , tucked between their packs and their backs ) came
>> along=A0. =0A=
>> =A0 It was not a sure thing that they - or anyone , were still
>> behind me .
>> =
>> =0A=A0 And again they were munificent ( the very next day a hiker
>> came
>> thro=
>> ugh who HAD , perhaps foolishly - decided to stay over at Hauser and
>> during=
>> the night five ' illegals ' had awoken him at two A M and taken=A0
>> his
>> wat=
>> er . His buddies gave him the trail name , " Cotton Mouth " when he
>> trailed=
>> in after hiking that lift and the balance of three or so miles w / o
>> water=
>> the next day . )=0A=A0 Maybe ' six '=A0needs to stand . . . here and
>> there=
>> ?=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Rafter Jack
>> --0-585269098-1224949988=:63973
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>>
>> <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;}
>> --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,
>> new york,
>> times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>Hi Diane - </DIV>
>> <DIV> It was strongly urged that we not stop / overnight
>> heading
>> north from the border until we reached the County Park - some 20 or
>> so miles
>> away . Bob in San Diego had graciously housed me until I commenced
>> my hike .
>> He drove myself and a couple to the border early , early one May five
>> morning. </DIV>
>> <DIV> One of the other folks urged me ( reminded me ) to be
>> sure to
>> carry the requisite 6 quarts . Almost arrogantly ( probably
>> arrogantly ) I
>> disdained / declined and maybe had three plus . </DIV>
>> <DIV> Fifteen miles along on a typical hot day I ran out . </
>> DIV>
>> <DIV> I had tucked myself in under the - what is that shrub
>> called ?
>> I tucked myself in and gained what shade it had . Voila ! Along
>> came Frank (
>> from La Belle Provence - Quebec ) and two wonderful gals ( can ' t
>> remember
>> where from . ) I asked for water . They had plenty and in no way
>> begrudged
>> me . </DIV>
>> <DIV> On we went . </DIV>
>> <DIV> Maybe nine through hikers ( and a ' jogger ' ! ) came
>> through
>> that day . Most passed me. At Hauser Canyon ( just where the books
>> most warn
>> you not to overnight ) I ran out again ! Yikes . And as likely
>> you know
>> there is that exposed switchback' lift ' of maybe 800 or 900 feet
>> just
>> beyond and then maybe three miles to the park . </DIV>
>> <DIV> I took off my pack and relaxed in the tall grass after
>> assuring
>> myself Hauser Creek was totally not available to parched creatures
>> such as
>> myself . Whoa ! </DIV>
>> <DIV> I talked to Rafter Jack . Sternly : </DIV>
>> <DIV> " What in blazes do you think you are doing here ?
>> There is
>> absolutely NO way you are going to get to Canada behaving like
>> this . "
>> </DIV>
>> <DIV> Sea change . </DIV>
>> <DIV> After maybe two hours in which I worked to wait
>> patiently , Frank and the wonderful ' girls ' ( who wore
>> parasols -
>> brightly colored , tucked between their packs and their backs ) came
>> along . </DIV>
>> <DIV> It was not a sure thing that they - or anyone , were
>> still
>> behind me . </DIV>
>> <DIV> And again they were munificent ( the very next day a
>> hiker came
>> through who HAD , perhaps foolishly - decided to stay over at
>> Hauser and
>> during the night five ' illegals ' had awoken him at two A M and
>> taken
>> his water . His buddies gave him the trail name , " Cotton Mouth "
>> when he
>> trailed in after hiking that lift and the balance of three or so
>> miles w / o
>> water the next day . )</DIV>
>> <DIV> Maybe ' six ' needs to stand . . . here and there ?
>> </DIV>
>> <DIV> Rafter
>> Jack
>> </DIV></div></body></html>
>> --0-585269098-1224949988=:63973--
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:22:18 -0400
>> From: "Will Hiltz" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] YITOOD
>> To: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
>> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID:
>> <739c11e60810250922m1e42840td6f046defb4fd77 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> YITOOD is my favorite, and Eric is quite right, it is "Yours in the
>> Out of
>> Doors"
>>
>>
>>
>> YITOOD,
>>
>> Easy
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Eric Lee (GAMES) <elee at microsoft.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kerry wrote:
>>>>
>>> hello,hikers. what do YITOOD and YMMV stand for?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Never heard of the first one, but a web search reveals it to be
>>> "yours in
>>> the out of doors". The second is "your mileage may vary", which
>>> is of
>>> course the standard disclaimer issued by car manufacturers
>>> whenever they
>>> talk about gas mileage ratings.
>>>
>>> Eric
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