[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 / Grieving for Phyllis
JOHN F PATTERSON
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Wed Oct 8 20:06:07 CDT 2008
Grieving for Phyllis . And thinking of Karen Lafferty and those who loved Phyllis - especially her family .
Jack Patterson ( Rafter Jack )
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Today's Topics:
1. Death on Pacific Crest Trail (Karen Lafferty)
2. Re: Mosquitos (Jerry Goller)
3. Sierra Expedition (Hiker97)
4. Fwd: the latest in cold weather, yada,yada, yada (Georgi Heitman)
5. Re: Sierra Expedition (Phil Baily)
6. Re: Mosquitos (t.n. turner)
7. Trail Help re Belden (Meridith Rosendahl)
8. Re: Mosquitos, not just for the city-dwelling softies (RJ Lewis)
9. the latest in cold weather gear fashion (Amanda L Silvestri)
10. Hiker found dead in Emigrant Wilderness (Tortoise)
11. Shuttle/parking to/near Campo on 01/03/09 (anc21 at humboldt.edu)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:35:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Lafferty <lafferty1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Death on Pacific Crest Trail
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I have been watching and reading a lot of the newspaper articles and comments about this tragic experience that I and my hiking partners went through.?? Please let me tell you that you can't believe everything you read.? At sometime it might be appropriate to detail this story from a person that was there, but right now the pain of losing a hiking partner prevents me from doing this.? I just wish that you would keep Phyllis's family in your prayers as they are going through this loss.? Thank you.? Karen Lafferty
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:41:05 -0600
From: "Jerry Goller" <jerrygoller at backpackgeartest.org>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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You *wash* on the trail??? What a concept.... ;o)
The accumulating stink just helps keep them away...... =o)
Jerry
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From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of t.n. turner
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Paul Cronshaw; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
So I've seen here in this thread lots of folks saying that DEET is a last
resort for many reasons. It isn't a resort at all for me as I, too, have a
severe reaction to it when I apply it to my skin and a lesser one in sinus
headache, when I apply it to my clothes or smell it on others. The headache
is almost as bad as I get with some of the perfumes I get a whiff of from
day hikers and tourists in towns (I get them in my regular life too).
Regardless of all this, my concern continues to be; do any of the people who
wear DEET, or even sunblock, do you wash it off before you put your
hands/body in the water sources?? I asked that of a group of boy scouts that
were foul with DEET and sunblock, and their 'leader' smiled ruefully at them
and said "See? I'm not the only one." (or words to that effect) So, do you?
do you even remember that you've put something on your hands and body that
might harm the water source and hence the little creatures, frogs, water
bugs, fish??
Okay, sorry but that has bugged me for years!!! And just in case someone is
going to ask me, yes I do remember, I wash each night and if I'm going to
use sunblock, I try to get my water before the need of sunblock has arisen,
if not, I clean my hands, away from the water source, then get the water.
Yep, pretty much a weird human about this one. I also only used sunblock in
SoCal last year for the first week or so and the first few days this year in
NoCal! (I know I can still get skin cancer, but. . .)
Have a great Monday all!! Thanks for letting me vent on DEET and water
sources!
tammy t.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:48:42 -0700
From: Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Sierra Expedition
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Cc: zoomersdelivers at yahoo.com, lizmares at cox.net,
john.hannah at wgint.com, carolwbruno at yahoo.com
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Switchback will be leaving Friday for the Eastern Sierras. Even while we speak, property is being boarded up like a hurricane is coming. A category 5 hurricane. They are right. Nothing but destruction will be left in my wake.
I am headed solo into Lyle Canyon in Yosemite and the PCT. Indians are sending smoke signal across the Sierras to form up war parties for the attack on Fort Switchback when I set up my campsite. No problem. Bears and mountain lions are streaming down from the high country for an assault. No problem. Female Terminator Leadership Types (liquid metal advance proto types) are forming up posses to collect the bounty/reward on Switchback's head. No problem. Mother Nature is bringing in storm fronts from the Pacific northwest. No problem.
I just got my prehike pedicure. I am excited. I am ready. Bring it on.
Rocky R. Switchback
PS: The R stands for Rambo.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:54:51 -0700
From: "Georgi Heitman" <bobbnweav at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: the latest in cold weather, yada,yada, yada
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Subject: the latest in cold weather, yada,yada, yada
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Cc: pc-l at mailman.backcountry.net
What's that thingy on top that looks like a stem? A skyhook? She'd sure
scare critters away, she's about twice her normal height, and a bit wider
too. Not bad.........
FireFly
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:02:04 -0700
From: "Phil Baily" <pbaily at webuniverse.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra Expedition
To: "Hiker97" <hiker97 at aol.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Cc: zoomersdelivers at yahoo.com, lizmares at cox.net,
john.hannah at wgint.com, carolwbruno at yahoo.com
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Here is a final thought before your expedition. Just remember, Lyell Canyon
is the only place I ever have lost food to a bear!!
Pieces
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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Sierra Expedition
> Switchback will be leaving Friday for the Eastern Sierras. Even while we
> speak, property is being boarded up like a hurricane is coming. A
> category 5 hurricane. They are right. Nothing but destruction will be
> left in my wake.
>
> I am headed solo into Lyle Canyon in Yosemite and the PCT. Indians are
> sending smoke signal across the Sierras to form up war parties for the
> attack on Fort Switchback when I set up my campsite. No problem. Bears
> and mountain lions are streaming down from the high country for an
> assault. No problem. Female Terminator Leadership Types (liquid metal
> advance proto types) are forming up posses to collect the bounty/reward on
> Switchback's head. No problem. Mother Nature is bringing in storm fronts
> from the Pacific northwest. No problem.
>
> I just got my prehike pedicure. I am excited. I am ready. Bring it on.
>
> Rocky R. Switchback
>
> PS: The R stands for Rambo.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:09:14 -0700
From: "t.n. turner" <barnumbaileypdx at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
To: Jerry Goller <jerrygoller at backpackgeartest.org>,
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <COL101-W2B9B87585398625E5DE5DBE380 at phx.gbl>
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Oh so sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that *I* wash on trail! My bad.
If you ever got close you'd know how often I wash<smile>!!!
tammy
> From: jerrygoller at backpackgeartest.org
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:41:05 -0600
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
>
> You *wash* on the trail??? What a concept.... ;o)
>
> The accumulating stink just helps keep them away...... =o)
>
> Jerry
>
>
> http://www.BackpackGearTest.org : the most comprehensive interactive gear
> reviews and tests on the planet.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of t.n. turner
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:50 AM
> To: Paul Cronshaw; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
>
>
> So I've seen here in this thread lots of folks saying that DEET is a last
> resort for many reasons. It isn't a resort at all for me as I, too, have a
> severe reaction to it when I apply it to my skin and a lesser one in sinus
> headache, when I apply it to my clothes or smell it on others. The headache
> is almost as bad as I get with some of the perfumes I get a whiff of from
> day hikers and tourists in towns (I get them in my regular life too).
>
> Regardless of all this, my concern continues to be; do any of the people who
> wear DEET, or even sunblock, do you wash it off before you put your
> hands/body in the water sources?? I asked that of a group of boy scouts that
> were foul with DEET and sunblock, and their 'leader' smiled ruefully at them
> and said "See? I'm not the only one." (or words to that effect) So, do you?
> do you even remember that you've put something on your hands and body that
> might harm the water source and hence the little creatures, frogs, water
> bugs, fish??
>
> Okay, sorry but that has bugged me for years!!! And just in case someone is
> going to ask me, yes I do remember, I wash each night and if I'm going to
> use sunblock, I try to get my water before the need of sunblock has arisen,
> if not, I clean my hands, away from the water source, then get the water.
> Yep, pretty much a weird human about this one. I also only used sunblock in
> SoCal last year for the first week or so and the first few days this year in
> NoCal! (I know I can still get skin cancer, but. . .)
>
> Have a great Monday all!! Thanks for letting me vent on DEET and water
> sources!
> tammy t.
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:34:24 -0700
From: "Meridith Rosendahl" <mrosendahl at digitalpath.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Trail Help re Belden
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I'd be happy to help, but unfortunately will be traveling during that time, so sorry! I'm sort of the local trail angel. Belden is about 2 hours on highway 70 from Oroville/Marysville/Yuba City where you could catch a bus or amtrak. If you were to end that section at highway 36 near Chester, you would need to go west on highway 36 to Red Bluff on highway 5 for train or bus.
I'm sorry I can't help - would have loved to be of assistance.
Piper's Mom
(Meridith Rosendahl)
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:19:09 -0500
From: RJ Lewis <karmagurl at bektel.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos, not just for the city-dwelling softies
To: matthew romero <mrzolezzi at hotmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Interestingly enough, I lived in WA state for 5 years and the mossies
there didn't even bother me-- however, moving back to ND proved to be a
horse of a different color. MN is also a fun state for mossies, and in
the springtime here in ND and in MN they swarm so heavily it's like
black clouds in the skies- the lil buggers will cart you off. The black
flies and horse flies aren't quite so fast but they too swarm in black
clouds and their bites are nas-ty if they do catch up to you. *ouch*
Deet? That's like steak sauce to them. *L* And West Nile is pretty
prevalent up here too- one bite can do it. Had that 6 years ago..NOT a
pleasant experience- it's like the worst case of the flu you have ever
had.....X 10.
So, remember, getting bitten can have consequences that you don't want.
Protect yourselves if you can.
Soul Sista
matthew romero wrote:
>
> Ill agree that the mosquitos in Oregon this year, were worse than anything I have ever seen, and ive lived in the tropics and spent time in the Bob Marshall. I was forced to wear long johns with my rain paints over them, and a longsleeve with an anorak jacket. I cannot stress to you how serious they were. I almost quit my thru hike beacuse of it.
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:57:47 -0700> From: allemande6 at yahoo.com> To: pct-l at backcountry.net> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos, not just for the city-dwelling softies> > > > > Not to pick a fight with another experienced hiker who's playing it cool in his response, but > > BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID.> > The mosquitos in central Oregon this August were not slow. 3-1/2 mph walking did not keep them from biting. No single layer of clothing could stop them. DEET discouraged them, but did not stop them. I'd recommend a combination of 2 loose-fitting very lightweight layers of clothing, along with DEET and a headnet. Bring the full arsenal.> > I'm from Michigan, and i've been living in Hawaii. I've hiked June and July in the 'Dacks and the Presis. I've hiked 3 straight June/Julys in the Wind River Range. I'm not a mosquito wussy. But Oregon's mosquitos this year were really THAT bad, not in quantity, but in efficiency. They are a smaller, quicker variety.> > >
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:16:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] the latest in cold weather gear fashion
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I understand some people's preference for camouflage, but trying to look like the mountain itself?? Now that is hard core hiker trash, with flair!
?
Amanda
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:48:53 -0700
From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Hiker found dead in Emigrant Wilderness
To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Brief item from SFGate (San Francisco Chronicle)
Hiker found dead in Emigrant Wilderness
Authorities are working to determine how a San Mateo County man died
after he went missing in the Emigrant Wilderness ahead of an early
season storm.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/07/state/n123504D89.DTL
Tortoise
<> He who finishes last, wins! <>
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: anc21 at humboldt.edu
Subject: [pct-l] Shuttle/parking to/near Campo on 01/03/09
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Howdy everyone,
Birdie and I are looking for info or assistance on getting a shuttle to
Campo on 1/3/09. We will be doing a 2 week winter section hike as far as
we can get, hopefully Idyllwild. Thanks, peace,
The hemlock muppet
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