[pct-l] Boy Scouts and trail etiquette
jeff.singewald at comcast.net
jeff.singewald at comcast.net
Tue Nov 25 17:18:02 CST 2008
Donna,
good points.... in addition to the fire this year that was reported to be started by a thru-hiker, remember the significant issue with the muffin (or was it bagel) frisbees and this blatent disregard for LNT that was attributed to another thru-hiker. This behavior can not be justified!
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From: "Donna "L-Rod" Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> It is so true that it only takes a few to spoil things for the many.
>
> This is a huge subject and a growing problem amongst the thrus, from many
> reports. While the offenders are a tiny percentage of a larger, infinitely more
> wonderful group, the behavior of a few and the swath of litter they leave really
> gets noticed. In addition to careless sanitation habits, vandalization, and
> littering, PCT hikers have been responsible for numerous fires over the years.
> The Apache Fire this past spring was one of them. I am sickened every time a
> hiker speaks of lighting fires every night out in our desperately dry terrain so
> prone to wild fires. Fire rings are a blight and eyesore as well as being
> dangerous. Alcohol stoves have been the culprit in more than a few wild fires
> started by thrus.
>
> I agree wholeheartedly that the Scouts themselves are not to blame; they are
> children being taught by adult leaders who are apparently untrained.
> Remembering back to my days as a den mother and cubmaster, recruiting parents
> isn't the easiest thing in the world. One could only hope that volunteers had
> common sense. As we all know, there's no guarantees of that anywhere to be
> found.
>
> L-Rod
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Bob Sartini
> >Sent: Nov 25, 2008 4:01 AM
> >To: edfaubert at yahoo.com, aslive at sbcglobal.net
> >Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Boy Scouts and trail etiquette
> >
> >I think we've all seen thruhiker behavior at least as bad and likely worse
> >than any scout behavior. The scouts are usually young kids at least . The
> >thruhikers are not THAT young.
> >
> >Twice I've come a cross evidence of human defecation smack on the trail w/tp
> >as a "joke". It was in a remote place so I doubt it was cubscouts.
> >
> >How about town behavior? I stick by my statistic. 6% of any group are badly
> >behaved. From Marines to legislators, nothing unique to scouts.
> >
> >
> >"EVERYTHING is in walking distance,"
> > ......Bamboo Bob
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "ed faubert"
> >To:
> >Cc:
> >Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:34 PM
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Boy Scouts and trail etiquette
> >
> >
> >
> >Well it may be true about the leadership of these troops needed some lessons
> >on true wilderness expertise it may be a small percentage of the overall
> >scout troops.
> >That said it brings back to mind some PCT hikers back in 2001 who were Eagle
> >Scouts who wrote graffeti on the pct as well as the CDT when they did that a
> >few years later........... and these guys were college students to
> >boot...........
> >
> >Meadow Ed
> >--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Amanda L Silvestri wrote:
> >
> >> From: Amanda L Silvestri
> >> Subject: [pct-l] Boy Scouts and trail etiquette
> >> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >> Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 6:02 PM
> >> My first reaction was to be shocked, after all scouting, I
> >> thought, should be teaching young boys how to be one with
> >> nature. Then I thought, "How much training do their
> >> leaders get? How many potential leaders would put up with
> >> a lot of training?" Are my standards too high?
> >> Perhaps, but if you are going to introduce young boys to
> >> nature, I would think that teaching respect for nature
> >> should be a big part of that introduction. I guess I am
> >> too much of a cynic to really be shocked, just
> >> disappointed... again. Thank God for the trail community
> >> and a few nature-reverent souls, and thank you Patti for
> >> putting out that fire.
> >>
> >> Amanda (Shepherd)
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