[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 11, Issue 31

Sat Nov 22 13:19:45 CST 2008

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>   1. Re: Pct-l Digest, Vol 11, Issue 30 (Eric H. Weinmann)
>   2. cooking pots (Amanda L Silvestri)
>   3. Hiker Privacy and Safety (Barry Teschlog)
>   4. Mount Laguna resupply (Robert W. Freed)
>   5. Re: Hiker Privacy and Safety (Andrea Dinsmore)
>   6. Mount Laguna resupply (Robert W. Freed)
>   7. Re: Thru-hike Permit Info Needed (Robert W. Freed)
>   8. March 2009 (razor blade)
>   9. Re: March 2009 (Robert W. Freed)
>  10. Re: March 2009 (Donna "L-Rod" Saufley)
>  11. Re: Hiker Privacy and Safety (Donna Saufley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:53:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Eric H. Weinmann" <ehweinmann at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 11, Issue 30
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi Amanda,K-mart sells a grease pot almost identical to the Walmart 
> version EXCEPT the pot lip is rolled to the outside of the pot.  All of 
> the other concerns raised by Steel-Eye are valid. The pot sells for $6.99 
> and I saw three of them in the kitchenware accessories section at my local 
> K-mart recently.EricMessage: 3
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:30:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] cooking pot
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> There has been some past discussion here about cooking pots.? As I recall,
> there was mention of a very light pot that was very inexpensive.? I don't
> remember its name but think it was for sale at Walgreen's or was it
> Walmart?? Does anyone recall?
> ?
> Amanda
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:05:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] cooking pots
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Thank you Steel Eye, you always provide such well thought-out responses.
> ?
> Amanda
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:15:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiker Privacy and Safety
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> After reading the various posts on the subject, it seems like the?crux of 
> the matter comes down to control of information.?
>
> Public journalists freely choose to share their stories.? Some share more 
> than others.? Some post up to date (within a day or two), others put a 
> week or two hold on their posts.
>
> Other folks would rather not share their stories in public, where they 
> are, etc.
>
> All of the above is (IMHO)?fine since each individual gets what they want 
> and no one steps on the toes of others in doing so.
>
> Where it can (obviously) get uncomfortable is when those who prefer a 
> higher level of privacy are pushed / forced?into the public eye by third 
> parties without consent.?
>
> I suggest that everyone exercise extreme discretion in posting personally 
> identifiable information about their fellow hikers, especially without 
> explicit permission to do so.? I suggest that this includes omitting names 
> of specific thru hikers spotted while out on section hikes, weekend hikes, 
> angel-ing, etc.? On the trip report I posted back in September, I made it 
> a point to not mention names, even of those who were posting journals?at 
> TJ or PH.? Another suggestion is to edit stories in such a manner as to 
> make it all but impossible for any individuals to be specifically 
> identified.? With some tact and discretion,?the trail, and the associated 
> list serves and forums can continue to be a relatively happy place.
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:43:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Mount Laguna resupply
> To: pcthkr at yahoo.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> The Mount Laguna Store is open year round. The Store is open seven days a 
> week and longer hours than the Post Office attached. They are very hiker 
> friendly. At least they have been to me on more than one occasion. Opening 
> after hours, staying open late to let us eat, etc..
> ?
> Robert
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:46:03 -0800
> From: "Andrea Dinsmore" <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiker Privacy and Safety
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:55:55 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Mount Laguna resupply
> To: pcthkr at yahoo.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> You could resupply here if you are not to picky. Small mountain store with 
> a little bit of everything.
> ?
> Robert
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:57:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-hike Permit Info Needed
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> As most if not all through hikers do not start in January they do not 
> start processing requests until after that time. I know it can be a 
> anxious time waiting for the permit, but know worries, it will come. And 
> the chance of someone asking you for a permit before mile 800 NB is just 
> about zero. This will be year seven for me and I have yet to be asked for 
> my permit even in the National Parks.
> ?
> Robert
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:01:07 +0000 (GMT)
> From: razor blade <mr_razorblade2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [pct-l] March 2009
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi, was just wondering whether anyone else out there was thinking of 
> starting at Campo round early March '09??
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:14:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] March 2009
> To: mr_razorblade2003 at yahoo.co.uk, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Early March is pushing the start time hard. You will be fine through 
> section A. In fact it is a great time of year to hike section A. Plenty of 
> good water, nice and cool in the desert. But that nice and cool turns to 
> brutal cold real fast in the next section. Snow covered trails and 
> dangerous ice in section B.
> ?
> ?
>>Hi, was just wondering whether anyone else out there was thinking of 
>>starting at Campo round early March '09??
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:18:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> From: "Donna \"L-Rod\" Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] March 2009
> To: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>,
> mr_razorblade2003 at yahoo.co.uk, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <31469142.1227305896122.JavaMail.root at elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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> Robert writes:
>
> "But that nice and cool turns to brutal cold real fast in the next 
> section. Snow covered trails and dangerous ice in section B."
>
> A warning about this is good and needs to be said.  Being prepared for 
> what you might encounter is imperative.  The truth is, every year there 
> are folks who start in March and make it through successfully without 
> skipping snowbound areas like San Jacinto, the San Bernardinos, or Baden 
> Powell and the San Gabriels. They are generally experienced folks that are 
> prepared for the conditions they encounter (i.e., winter clothing and 
> shelter, ice axes and the knowledge of how to use them, sometimes snow 
> shoes, and map/compass knowledge).
>
> The thing that gets left out is that you should be prepared to get through 
> some serious weather and conditions in Southern California -- even if you 
> start from Campo in April or May.  This is even more true in recent years 
> as we continue to experience freakish weather extremes.  There were way 
> too many hikers who needed to be "rescued" when a snow storm blew into the 
> local mountains this past May.  They sent their cold weather gear ahead 
> because it had been hot for a spell and they either didn't want to, or 
> feel it necessary to, carry it.
>
> I've learned to never underestimate -- or over-estimate for that matter --  
> a hiker's abilities.  There are people on the PCT who've climbed Everest, 
> taught mountaineering to militaries worldwide, and well, are much finer 
> athletes and adventurers than I could ever hope to be.  Sad to say, there 
> are also a fair number of Darwin Award candidates. One of my goals in life 
> is not to be one of them!
>
> L-Rod
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
>>Sent: Nov 21, 2008 1:14 PM
>>To: mr_razorblade2003 at yahoo.co.uk, pct-l at backcountry.net
>>Subject: Re: [pct-l] March 2009
>>
>>Early March is pushing the start time hard. You will be fine through 
>>section A. In fact it is a great time of year to hike section A. Plenty of 
>>good water, nice and cool in the desert. But that nice and cool turns to 
>>brutal cold real fast in the next section. Snow covered trails and 
>>dangerous ice in section B.
>>?
>>?
>>>Hi, was just wondering whether anyone else out there was thinking of 
>>>starting at Campo round early March '09??
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:32:40 -0800
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiker Privacy and Safety
> To: <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I coudn't agree more about the hiker community, and how overwhelmingly 
> safe
> and trustworthy I've found hikers to be.  It's nearly miraculous that so
> many good people have gathered within this family of friends.
> Unfortunately, the trail crosses roads and hikers go to town. Any area 
> that
> people can drive to will have an entirely different element, and while 
> many
> good people share kindnesses out there, we only have to read the paper or
> watch Court TV to know that this is not always the case.  The trust that 
> is
> shared within the hiker community just doesn't (or IMHO shouldn't) 
> uniformly
> apply to society, alas.
>
> I know for a fact that some hikers suck things up that they may not like 
> so
> as not to offend their host. They've told me so and that they didn't want 
> to
> hurt my feelings or seem ungrateful.  It would be difficult for some to 
> say
> no, don't do that.  Then, too, some that could be in danger may be 
> unaware.
> Also, keep in mind that the real concern is not about a video posted or a
> book or journal written long after the season ends, but those who are
> innocently posting journals or emails detailing hiker whereabouts in real
> time. In hiker world, that's tantamount to giving out somebody's address 
> to
> a completely unknown group of strangers and telling them when they'll be
> there.
>
> I've been asked more than a few times to keep someone's anonymity or
> whereabouts quiet in my 12 years of hosting.  That's what changed my 
> outlook
> on this. Most commonly, hikers are trying to dodge someone whose company
> they are avoiding. It's hard to lose someone who is dogging you on the
> trail. Other hikers who asked me not to post about them were quite 
> adamant,
> and had sound reasons for wanting their whereabouts posted on the 
> internet.
> One explained to me it was because she was on the AT when a young woman 
> was
> murdered because a stalker followed her online journal postings detailing
> her whereabouts and plans. She literally implored me to not only respect 
> her
> wish for privacy, but to be conscious of this for others too.  It's said 
> if
> we ignore history, we are doomed to repeat it.
>
> The sad reality is that hikers are being stalked today on the PCT by some
> nut that they met at a trail head.  This guy is out looking for these
> hikers. Let's just say, hypothetically, that this guy finds his way onto
> this or another PCT forum. Or there's someone already lurking, scanning,
> hunting on hiker forums.  Let's be real -- the trail attracts its share of
> 5150s.
>
> I know, that once again, I am taking a controversial position, sounding
> preachy, and well, yes I am preaching.  I trying to share what I've
> witnessed and I'm ringing a bell of warning.  I am posting about it, as
> unpleasant as it is to deal with, because I want to raise awareness and
> consciousness. I will go against the tide once again because I'm on my own
> little mission to help hikers and help keep them safe out there.  I also
> respect differences of opinion, and the thunderbolts of dissention.
>
> That's why I'm Lightening Rod ;o)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Andrea Dinsmore
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:46 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiker Privacy and Safety
>
> Being a trail angel up at the tail north end of the PCT........I have 
> never
> had a hiker in 6 years convey to me or my husband that they require
> anonymity. Everyone signs the register. Everyone poses for photos both
> individual and group. They all know they will end up in our annual video.
> Most hikers want their travels to be posted so family and others CAN track
> the progress. They are very proud of their accomplishments. There's no 
> more
> privacy out on the trail than there is at a public football game. Everyone
> has cameras and everyone talks to each other.  If a hiker needs to be
> invisible while they are hiking they need to not talk with anyone, hide
> their face  and don't sign any register with your real or trail name.
> It's your responsibility to remain anonymous......not ours. The trail is
> definitely a very public and highly advertised place. Hike the trail and
> have a good time. You're safer out with all the hiker trash than you are 
> in
> your home town. Hiker trash with care for you if you are hurt or sick. 
> Hiker
> trash with protect you again anything. They become your family by the time
> you finish the hike. Quit being paranoid and enjoy the hike.  You are not
> out there by yourself.
>
> PCT MOM
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