[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 5, Issue 36

Justin A DiPaola-Allen justind at hawaii.edu
Tue May 13 16:51:11 CDT 2008


To everyone, 

I am getting ready to start sending out resupply packages, and I was just wondering if anyone has done research on the accuracy of the addresses. I am using the shipping labels off the Pcta website, and cross referencing them with the 2007 PCT Data Book. Has anyone dug depper than this? Please let me know.

Thanks everyone!

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Date: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:29 pm
Subject: Pct-l Digest, Vol 5, Issue 36
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>    1. Olancha area (Louise Wholey)
>    2. journals (Tortoise)
>    3. snow melting in the Sierra (kmurray at pol.net)
>    4. Re: Olancha area (Ned Tibbits)
>    5. Re: snow melting in the Sierra (goslowgofar)
>    6. A Question re: Snow Canyon and Camping
>       (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
>    7. Tejon Ranch re-route question (Suzannah Swinehart)
>    8. Tee hee (Suzannah Swinehart)
>    9. Tejon Ranch re-route question / Halfmile??? 
> (enyapjr at comcast.net)  10.  Tejon Ranch re-route 
> question (Postholer)
>   11. Re: Tehachapi Mountains PCT Route (Will M)
>   12. Re: Tehachapi Mountains PCT Route (Sean Nordeen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Olancha area
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> The Sage Flat trailhead below Olancha Pass is purple with Lupins 
> blossoming at their prime.  The PCT between Olancha Pass 
> and Olancha Peak has intermittent snow, mostly on north facing 
> aspects, and plenty of running water.  Following the trail 
> takes sharp eyes in places, but enough of it is visible to keep 
> from becoming lost.  After dark Summit Meadow croaks with 
> the sounds from thousands of frogs enjoying the wet conditions.
> 
> Louise
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:34:30 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] journals
> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Anyone know if the following PCTers have journals --
> 
> Gator from Florida
> 
> Lara and John. Lara rode with me to El Cajon to get a 
> prescription refilled.
> 
> TIA.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Tortoise
> 
> <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT)
> From: <kmurray at pol.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] snow melting in the Sierra
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Heat wave coming in the end of the week, should really 
> accelerate ths melt.
> At the Kennedy Meadows area, it is measured in tenths of an 
> inch.  An inch
> or so left at Crabtree meadows. (and melted an inch, yesterday)
> ==================================
>  Posted on Supertopo:
> Tioga Road will open for NPS Administrative Traffic on 
> Wednesday, May 14,
> 2008.
> 
> Jesse McGahey
> Yosemite Climbing Ranger
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:27:45 -0700
> From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Olancha area
> To: "Louise Wholey" <louisewholey at yahoo.com>,	<pct-
> l at backcountry.net>Message-ID: 
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> 
> Louise,
> 
> Your description of the Kern Plateau and the Olancha area under 
> spring thaw 
> I can see and hear!  Thanks for the vivid descriptions; I 
> feel like I'm 
> virtually there...
> 
> When I hiked through at those elevations back in 1974 on my thru 
> hike, there 
> was still two to three feet of snow in the meadows, but the run-
> off was in 
> full swing (as it is here in South Lake Tahoe!!), the flowers 
> were trying to 
> emerge on the south slopes, the frogs were waking up, and the 
> mud was 
> everywhere!
> 
> How about some more "meadow stories" as told by the locals?
> 
> Mtnned
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Louise Wholey" <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:21 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Olancha area
> 
> 
> > The Sage Flat trailhead below Olancha Pass is purple with 
> Lupins 
> > blossoming at their prime.  The PCT between Olancha Pass 
> and Olancha Peak 
> > has intermittent snow, mostly on north facing aspects, and 
> plenty of 
> > running water.  Following the trail takes sharp eyes in 
> places, but enough 
> > of it is visible to keep from becoming lost.  After dark 
> Summit Meadow 
> > croaks with the sounds from thousands of frogs enjoying the 
> wet 
> > conditions.
> >
> > Louise
> >
> >
> > 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: goslowgofar <goslowgofar at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] snow melting in the Sierra
> To: Pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Posted on Supertopo:
> Tioga Road will open for NPS Administrative Traffic on 
> Wednesday, May 14,
> 2008.
> 
> Just an fyi:  "Administrative Traffic" means that those of 
> us that have completed the park's avalanche safety training may 
> drive on the road for work-related purposes.  We have to 
> follow a specific protocol which includes driving in teams and 
> carrying beacons and rescue equipment. There are still 4 active 
> avalanche zones along the road.  I guess with this warming 
> trend they'll be gone soon!  
>   Katy
>   (I may get to drive to Tuolumne Meadows next week!)
>    
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:13:22 +0000
> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] A Question re: Snow Canyon and Camping
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> List members,
> 
> Been reading a number of journals this year and it appears that 
> a fair number of thru-hikers have been making camp near the 
> fountain at Snow Creek.  When I went through in 2006 I 
> recall that camping here was not allowed and I was wondering if 
> this has changed?  This would be a great location to camp 
> given the proximity to water following the long descent from 
> Fuller Ridge.
> 
> Is this area now open to legal camping?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:03:27 -0700
> From: Suzannah Swinehart <suz_quz at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tejon Ranch re-route question
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY144-W16900D7B1775639E7FF0A692CF0 at phx.gbl>
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> 
> 
> 
> So here's a question for someone who knows how to draw various 
> routes on maps...girlscout, if she's up to it?
> 
> I would really like to see a map contrasting the current route 
> through the desert with the proposed route through TR. As 
> someone who has not yet hiked down south, I have a hard time 
> visualizing the change. I know it will be drastic, and most 
> importantly, knock out most of the dreaded desert walk! Yay!
> 
> This is such an amazing accomplishment. For months my dad and I 
> talked about sitting down and taking the five minutes to fill 
> out the PCTA membership form but never got around to it. This 
> was finally the kick in the butt to get us moving!
> 
> -Chipmunk, proud new supporter of the PCTA  :)
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:12:47 -0700
> From: Suzannah Swinehart <suz_quz at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tee hee
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> 
> Thanks, Steel-eye and Easy, for kindly correcting my confusion. 
> 
> Sorry, girlscout. Someday I'll make it to Kick-off and have 
> faces (and genders) to put to all these trail names. If I 
> haven't offended you too badly I'd still love a map :)
> 
> Until then...maybe I'll be renamed "Sheepish"
> 
> -Chipmunk
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 02:27:52 +0000
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Tejon Ranch re-route question / Halfmile???
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net (pct-l)
> Cc: suz_quz at hotmail.com, halfmile at pctmap.net
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> > So here's a question for someone who knows how to draw various 
> routes on maps...girlscout, if she's up to it?
> > 
> First of all - girlscout is a he...  
> http://tinyurl.com/6bnq5y  
> He also does quite a bit of trail angeling in SoCal - picking 
> thrus up at the airport, putting them up for a night or two, 
> getting them last minute supplies, and helping them get to the 
> trail at Campo, etc. ...
> 
> > I would really like to see a map contrasting the current route 
> through the desert with the proposed route through TR. 
> > As someone who has not yet hiked down south, I have a hard 
> time visualizing the change.
> > I know it will be drastic, and most importantly, knock out 
> most of the dreaded desert walk! Yay!
> 
> I thought (and am hoping) Halfmile might add it to his online 
> PCT maps, http://www.pctmap.net/download/p/mapdl.html ...  
> Section E is the one to download to see the current "Mojave" 
> portion of the PCT (see pages 6 through 11)...
> 
> Halfmile:  I do have a (NG TOPO!) route on my computer at 
> home from a couple of years ago that I just worked on a few days 
> ago and started altering it while also looking at closeups on 
> Google Earth for better trail site selection...  I'd be 
> glad to email it to you (when I get home from work later 
> tonight) if it will help you put the potential route up on your 
> site...   ;-)
> (Chipmunk: if you have "NG TOPO! California" on your computer, I 
> could send it to you, also)
> 
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:29:52 -0700
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]  Tejon Ranch re-route question
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: suz_quz at hotmail.com
> Message-ID: <062c01c8b4a1$3ac93ba0$67d58304 at Snoopy>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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> 
> > I would really like to see a map contrasting the current route
> > through the desert with the proposed route through TR.
> 
> Extracting waypoints from the PCTA's Tejon Ranch map, I've 
> updated the 
> Postholer Tejon Ranch map. (Yes, it has the current PCT trail!) 
> You can view 
> the map at:
> http://tinyurl.com/6mgs9n
> 
> -postholer
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:43:14 -0700
> From: "Will M" <jalan04 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tehachapi Mountains PCT Route
> To: "Sean Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Sadly, I'm a little bit worried about the hiker impact on this 
> area.  During
> my recent section hike of sections B, C and part of D, it  
> seemed not a day
> went by that I didnt see serious fire damage caused, I'm 
> guessing, by
> careless PCT hikers.  Then there was the news of the fires 
> near Idyllwild
> which were also apparently caused by PCT hikers.  I hate to 
> be such a downer
> because I love hiking and I've enjoyed hiking on the PCT and I 
> think the
> trail community is awesome but I really have started to develop 
> some serious
> qualms about the impact that PCT hikers are having on the 
> enviroment.  I'm
> especially worried about this new section because it is so 
> ecologicallysensitive being the home of California condors.
> 
> So how is the PCTA going to ensure the safety of this fragile 
> area given the
> poor history hikers have in caring for trail areas? I know that 
> lots of
> hikers give back and trail crews do great work taking care of 
> the trail
> .  Its just that in my mind the impact of these fires just 
> dwarfs all of
> these efforts. I'm not trying to be a jerk here but I really 
> think the trail
> community needs to do some serious reflection on this 
> issue.  Do we deserve
> this prized stretch of land or would it be better to just make 
> it a nature
> sanctuary?
> 
> Jalan Jalan
> 
> 
> On 5/10/08, Sean Nordeen <sean at lifesadventures.net> wrote:
> >
> > So, in light of this historic agreement with Tejon Ranch, does 
> this mean
> > that I can LEGALLY set foot there in 2009?  Also, does 
> anyone know the
> > proposed route the Forest Service came up with in the 
> Tehachapi Mountains
> > before giving up due to the private owners opposition and 
> locating the trail
> > below?
> >
> > Though it probably isn't realistic, but I was just wondering 
> if it would
> > be possible to use an outdated federal topo map and compass 
> and bushwack
> > one's way across next spring without being arrested/shot at?
> >
> > -Sean
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 00:28:43 -0400
> From: Sean Nordeen <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tehachapi Mountains PCT Route
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <32957423.120131210652923118.JavaMail.servlet at perfora>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Well, as a SoCal resident.  I can tell you that most fires 
> down here are not caused by PCT hikers though there have been a 
> couple started.  Most major wilderness area fires here have 
> been caused by natural causes, causal users and arason and not 
> backpackers.  In fact, the likely hood of a fire being 
> started by humans seems to go up the closer developement gets to 
> an area.  The Tehacahapi's will be more in danger due to 
> the new developement that Tejon Ranch will be building then a 
> few hundred PCT hikers each year.  Also, fires already 
> happen naturally in the Tehachapis and is part of the natural 
> cycle.  In fact, I can remember several fires there in the 
> past several years and yet there have been no PCT hikers.  
> I think you are barking up the wrong tree on this.
> 
> -Sean
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ?
> Sadly, I'm a little bit worried about the hiker impact on this 
> area.? During my recent section hike of sections B, C and part 
> of D, it? seemed not a day went by that I didnt see serious fire 
> damage caused, I'm guessing, by careless PCT hikers.? Then there 
> was the news of the fires near Idyllwild which were also 
> apparently caused by PCT hikers.? I hate to be such a downer 
> because I love hiking and I've enjoyed hiking on the PCT and I 
> think the trail community is awesome?but I really have started 
> to develop some serious qualms about the impact that PCT hikers 
> are having on the enviroment.? I'm especially worried about this 
> new section because it is so ecologically sensitive being the 
> home of California condors.
> ?
> So how is the PCTA going to ensure the safety of this fragile 
> area given the poor history hikers have in caring for trail 
> areas??I know that lots of hikers give?back and trail crews do 
> great work taking care of the trail .??Its just that in my mind 
> the impact of these fires?just dwarfs all of these efforts.?I'm 
> not trying to be a jerk here but I really think the trail 
> community needs to do some serious reflection on this issue.? Do 
> we deserve this prized stretch of land or would it be better to 
> just make it a nature sanctuary?
> ?
> Jalan Jalan
> 
> 
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