[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 5, Issue 36
Justin A DiPaola-Allen
justind at hawaii.edu
Tue May 13 16:51:11 CDT 2008
To everyone,
I am getting ready to start sending out resupply packages, and I was just wondering if anyone has done research on the accuracy of the addresses. I am using the shipping labels off the Pcta website, and cross referencing them with the 2007 PCT Data Book. Has anyone dug depper than this? Please let me know.
Thanks everyone!
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> 1. Olancha area (Louise Wholey)
> 2. journals (Tortoise)
> 3. snow melting in the Sierra (kmurray at pol.net)
> 4. Re: Olancha area (Ned Tibbits)
> 5. Re: snow melting in the Sierra (goslowgofar)
> 6. A Question re: Snow Canyon and Camping
> (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
> 7. Tejon Ranch re-route question (Suzannah Swinehart)
> 8. Tee hee (Suzannah Swinehart)
> 9. Tejon Ranch re-route question / Halfmile???
> (enyapjr at comcast.net) 10. Tejon Ranch re-route
> question (Postholer)
> 11. Re: Tehachapi Mountains PCT Route (Will M)
> 12. Re: Tehachapi Mountains PCT Route (Sean Nordeen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Olancha area
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> The Sage Flat trailhead below Olancha Pass is purple with Lupins
> blossoming at their prime. The PCT between Olancha Pass
> and Olancha Peak has intermittent snow, mostly on north facing
> aspects, and plenty of running water. Following the trail
> takes sharp eyes in places, but enough of it is visible to keep
> from becoming lost. After dark Summit Meadow croaks with
> the sounds from thousands of frogs enjoying the wet conditions.
>
> Louise
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:34:30 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] journals
> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Anyone know if the following PCTers have journals --
>
> Gator from Florida
>
> Lara and John. Lara rode with me to El Cajon to get a
> prescription refilled.
>
> TIA.
>
> --
>
>
> Tortoise
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT)
> From: <kmurray at pol.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] snow melting in the Sierra
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Heat wave coming in the end of the week, should really
> accelerate ths melt.
> At the Kennedy Meadows area, it is measured in tenths of an
> inch. An inch
> or so left at Crabtree meadows. (and melted an inch, yesterday)
> ==================================
> Posted on Supertopo:
> Tioga Road will open for NPS Administrative Traffic on
> Wednesday, May 14,
> 2008.
>
> Jesse McGahey
> Yosemite Climbing Ranger
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:27:45 -0700
> From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Olancha area
> To: "Louise Wholey" <louisewholey at yahoo.com>, <pct-
> l at backcountry.net>Message-ID:
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> Louise,
>
> Your description of the Kern Plateau and the Olancha area under
> spring thaw
> I can see and hear! Thanks for the vivid descriptions; I
> feel like I'm
> virtually there...
>
> When I hiked through at those elevations back in 1974 on my thru
> hike, there
> was still two to three feet of snow in the meadows, but the run-
> off was in
> full swing (as it is here in South Lake Tahoe!!), the flowers
> were trying to
> emerge on the south slopes, the frogs were waking up, and the
> mud was
> everywhere!
>
> How about some more "meadow stories" as told by the locals?
>
> Mtnned
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Louise Wholey" <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:21 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Olancha area
>
>
> > The Sage Flat trailhead below Olancha Pass is purple with
> Lupins
> > blossoming at their prime. The PCT between Olancha Pass
> and Olancha Peak
> > has intermittent snow, mostly on north facing aspects, and
> plenty of
> > running water. Following the trail takes sharp eyes in
> places, but enough
> > of it is visible to keep from becoming lost. After dark
> Summit Meadow
> > croaks with the sounds from thousands of frogs enjoying the
> wet
> > conditions.
> >
> > Louise
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: goslowgofar <goslowgofar at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] snow melting in the Sierra
> To: Pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Posted on Supertopo:
> Tioga Road will open for NPS Administrative Traffic on
> Wednesday, May 14,
> 2008.
>
> Just an fyi: "Administrative Traffic" means that those of
> us that have completed the park's avalanche safety training may
> drive on the road for work-related purposes. We have to
> follow a specific protocol which includes driving in teams and
> carrying beacons and rescue equipment. There are still 4 active
> avalanche zones along the road. I guess with this warming
> trend they'll be gone soon!
> Katy
> (I may get to drive to Tuolumne Meadows next week!)
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:13:22 +0000
> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] A Question re: Snow Canyon and Camping
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> List members,
>
> Been reading a number of journals this year and it appears that
> a fair number of thru-hikers have been making camp near the
> fountain at Snow Creek. When I went through in 2006 I
> recall that camping here was not allowed and I was wondering if
> this has changed? This would be a great location to camp
> given the proximity to water following the long descent from
> Fuller Ridge.
>
> Is this area now open to legal camping?
>
> Jeff
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:03:27 -0700
> From: Suzannah Swinehart <suz_quz at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tejon Ranch re-route question
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY144-W16900D7B1775639E7FF0A692CF0 at phx.gbl>
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>
>
> So here's a question for someone who knows how to draw various
> routes on maps...girlscout, if she's up to it?
>
> I would really like to see a map contrasting the current route
> through the desert with the proposed route through TR. As
> someone who has not yet hiked down south, I have a hard time
> visualizing the change. I know it will be drastic, and most
> importantly, knock out most of the dreaded desert walk! Yay!
>
> This is such an amazing accomplishment. For months my dad and I
> talked about sitting down and taking the five minutes to fill
> out the PCTA membership form but never got around to it. This
> was finally the kick in the butt to get us moving!
>
> -Chipmunk, proud new supporter of the PCTA :)
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:12:47 -0700
> From: Suzannah Swinehart <suz_quz at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tee hee
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Thanks, Steel-eye and Easy, for kindly correcting my confusion.
>
> Sorry, girlscout. Someday I'll make it to Kick-off and have
> faces (and genders) to put to all these trail names. If I
> haven't offended you too badly I'd still love a map :)
>
> Until then...maybe I'll be renamed "Sheepish"
>
> -Chipmunk
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 02:27:52 +0000
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Tejon Ranch re-route question / Halfmile???
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net (pct-l)
> Cc: suz_quz at hotmail.com, halfmile at pctmap.net
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> > So here's a question for someone who knows how to draw various
> routes on maps...girlscout, if she's up to it?
> >
> First of all - girlscout is a he...
> http://tinyurl.com/6bnq5y
> He also does quite a bit of trail angeling in SoCal - picking
> thrus up at the airport, putting them up for a night or two,
> getting them last minute supplies, and helping them get to the
> trail at Campo, etc. ...
>
> > I would really like to see a map contrasting the current route
> through the desert with the proposed route through TR.
> > As someone who has not yet hiked down south, I have a hard
> time visualizing the change.
> > I know it will be drastic, and most importantly, knock out
> most of the dreaded desert walk! Yay!
>
> I thought (and am hoping) Halfmile might add it to his online
> PCT maps, http://www.pctmap.net/download/p/mapdl.html ...
> Section E is the one to download to see the current "Mojave"
> portion of the PCT (see pages 6 through 11)...
>
> Halfmile: I do have a (NG TOPO!) route on my computer at
> home from a couple of years ago that I just worked on a few days
> ago and started altering it while also looking at closeups on
> Google Earth for better trail site selection... I'd be
> glad to email it to you (when I get home from work later
> tonight) if it will help you put the potential route up on your
> site... ;-)
> (Chipmunk: if you have "NG TOPO! California" on your computer, I
> could send it to you, also)
>
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:29:52 -0700
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tejon Ranch re-route question
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: suz_quz at hotmail.com
> Message-ID: <062c01c8b4a1$3ac93ba0$67d58304 at Snoopy>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> > I would really like to see a map contrasting the current route
> > through the desert with the proposed route through TR.
>
> Extracting waypoints from the PCTA's Tejon Ranch map, I've
> updated the
> Postholer Tejon Ranch map. (Yes, it has the current PCT trail!)
> You can view
> the map at:
> http://tinyurl.com/6mgs9n
>
> -postholer
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:43:14 -0700
> From: "Will M" <jalan04 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tehachapi Mountains PCT Route
> To: "Sean Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
> Sadly, I'm a little bit worried about the hiker impact on this
> area. During
> my recent section hike of sections B, C and part of D, it
> seemed not a day
> went by that I didnt see serious fire damage caused, I'm
> guessing, by
> careless PCT hikers. Then there was the news of the fires
> near Idyllwild
> which were also apparently caused by PCT hikers. I hate to
> be such a downer
> because I love hiking and I've enjoyed hiking on the PCT and I
> think the
> trail community is awesome but I really have started to develop
> some serious
> qualms about the impact that PCT hikers are having on the
> enviroment. I'm
> especially worried about this new section because it is so
> ecologicallysensitive being the home of California condors.
>
> So how is the PCTA going to ensure the safety of this fragile
> area given the
> poor history hikers have in caring for trail areas? I know that
> lots of
> hikers give back and trail crews do great work taking care of
> the trail
> . Its just that in my mind the impact of these fires just
> dwarfs all of
> these efforts. I'm not trying to be a jerk here but I really
> think the trail
> community needs to do some serious reflection on this
> issue. Do we deserve
> this prized stretch of land or would it be better to just make
> it a nature
> sanctuary?
>
> Jalan Jalan
>
>
> On 5/10/08, Sean Nordeen <sean at lifesadventures.net> wrote:
> >
> > So, in light of this historic agreement with Tejon Ranch, does
> this mean
> > that I can LEGALLY set foot there in 2009? Also, does
> anyone know the
> > proposed route the Forest Service came up with in the
> Tehachapi Mountains
> > before giving up due to the private owners opposition and
> locating the trail
> > below?
> >
> > Though it probably isn't realistic, but I was just wondering
> if it would
> > be possible to use an outdated federal topo map and compass
> and bushwack
> > one's way across next spring without being arrested/shot at?
> >
> > -Sean
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 00:28:43 -0400
> From: Sean Nordeen <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tehachapi Mountains PCT Route
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Well, as a SoCal resident. I can tell you that most fires
> down here are not caused by PCT hikers though there have been a
> couple started. Most major wilderness area fires here have
> been caused by natural causes, causal users and arason and not
> backpackers. In fact, the likely hood of a fire being
> started by humans seems to go up the closer developement gets to
> an area. The Tehacahapi's will be more in danger due to
> the new developement that Tejon Ranch will be building then a
> few hundred PCT hikers each year. Also, fires already
> happen naturally in the Tehachapis and is part of the natural
> cycle. In fact, I can remember several fires there in the
> past several years and yet there have been no PCT hikers.
> I think you are barking up the wrong tree on this.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ?
> Sadly, I'm a little bit worried about the hiker impact on this
> area.? During my recent section hike of sections B, C and part
> of D, it? seemed not a day went by that I didnt see serious fire
> damage caused, I'm guessing, by careless PCT hikers.? Then there
> was the news of the fires near Idyllwild which were also
> apparently caused by PCT hikers.? I hate to be such a downer
> because I love hiking and I've enjoyed hiking on the PCT and I
> think the trail community is awesome?but I really have started
> to develop some serious qualms about the impact that PCT hikers
> are having on the enviroment.? I'm especially worried about this
> new section because it is so ecologically sensitive being the
> home of California condors.
> ?
> So how is the PCTA going to ensure the safety of this fragile
> area given the poor history hikers have in caring for trail
> areas??I know that lots of hikers give?back and trail crews do
> great work taking care of the trail .??Its just that in my mind
> the impact of these fires?just dwarfs all of these efforts.?I'm
> not trying to be a jerk here but I really think the trail
> community needs to do some serious reflection on this issue.? Do
> we deserve this prized stretch of land or would it be better to
> just make it a nature sanctuary?
> ?
> Jalan Jalan
>
>
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