[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 3, Issue 62
Charles Wiley
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Mon Mar 24 14:32:39 CDT 2008
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1. Re: campfires while hiking... (Jeffrey Olson)
2. Re: campfires while hiking... (G. Lowe aka Wheeew)
3. ladies (Amanda L Silvestri)
4. Re: campfire permit (montypct)
5. Re: campfires while hiking... (Scott Bryce)
6. Supplies not in P.O.'s (Georgi Heitman)
7. Re: campfire permit (Peter Dascalos)
8. Re: campfires while hiking... (cvano at tmail.com)
9. Re: Supplies not in P.O.'s (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:03:50 -0600
From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] campfires while hiking...
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I may have an unpopular opinion. I opine that campfires outside of real
car type campgrounds have no place in the back country. Leave no trace
ethics would have us tred lightly on the land. Campfire residue lasts
for years and years and years. In emergency - yes. Otherwise, rule of
thumb should be no fires. This is an opinion, not a statement of fact or
truth...
Jeff, just Jeff...
David Stewart wrote:
> what is the story with the campfires, because, well, i sure do like a good
> campfire.
>
> -moondog
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: "G. Lowe aka Wheeew" <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] campfires while hiking...
To: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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It may be an unpopular opinion Jeff, but I'm right there with ya. Thanks for saying it!
Wheeew
Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu> wrote: I may have an unpopular opinion. I opine that campfires outside of real
car type campgrounds have no place in the back country. Leave no trace
ethics would have us tred lightly on the land. Campfire residue lasts
for years and years and years. In emergency - yes. Otherwise, rule of
thumb should be no fires. This is an opinion, not a statement of fact or
truth...
Jeff, just Jeff...
David Stewart wrote:
> what is the story with the campfires, because, well, i sure do like a good
> campfire.
>
> -moondog
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] ladies
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Ladies
Perhaps others shair this problem. I have large brests. Even though I power them every morning on the trail and try to wipe the sweat out after each climb, I find that I often chafe badly. The area where my sports bra rubs under my breast becomes a wide raw rash. Once my bra gets wet, it is all over. I can't be changing it every hour. Does anyone know of a lightweight, wicking bra that works well for us larger gals? Sorry guys, I didn't mean to gross you out.
Amanda
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:23:52 -0700
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] campfire permit
To: "David Stewart" <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>,
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Moondog
The easiest way to just print a reduceable-in-size campfire permit and an
answer to you question that I know of is right here.
Simply Copy>paste>resize>print from this page of my trail journal.
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?ID=219573
Monty
Warner Springs Monty
Pacific Crest Trail 2650 Miles .....Again.....and Again
Sign my Guestbook
www.trailjournals.com/monty
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stewart" <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:52 AM
Subject: [pct-l] campfire permit
> howdy,
>
> do we need campfire permits? is there such a thing? i have it on my PCT
> to-do list and it has been there so long, like old mustard.
>
> what is the story with the campfires, because, well, i sure do like a good
> campfire.
>
> -moondog
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:25:43 -0600
From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] campfires while hiking...
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G. Lowe aka Wheeew wrote:
> It may be an unpopular opinion Jeff, but I'm right there with ya.
> Thanks for saying it!
One more vote for no campfires in the back country.
If you find yourself in an established campground, go for it.
But to answer the OPs question (which has been answered several times in
the last little while) a permit is needed in California for a fire of
any type, including a stove.
Find it here:
http://tinyurl.com/2yv3ek
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:26:16 -0700
From: "Georgi Heitman" <bobbnweav at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Supplies not in P.O.'s
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Yo, Jeff, how goes it?
Our list on No Cal places is pretty much right on but needs a bit of
refining, hope you don't mind.
Belden....
Usually Brenda and Laurie Braaten, both of whom teach, drive out here to
their future retirement home and T.A. station from way back East. They only
get to spend about a month at their Little Haven. Better to send to Gen
Del, Belton and request that it get picked up by the Braatens. Reach them
anytime at LJBratten at aol.com and late June / July at 530.283.9880. That
way, if you arrive before or after they are in Beldon, you know where your
box is if it's not with them, ie, safely stacked with all the other boxes in
the P.O., not sitting on the Bratten's doorstep, being ravaged by the local
apple tree bear. The hours kept by the P.O. are strange, but the Post
Mistress is very nice and will arrange to tuck your box away in a place you
can find it. Phone number for the P.O. is in Yogi's Handbook. Don't have
the P.O. mistresses name, wish I did.
Old Station....
Pretty much right on, except that we we only have a small closet that's
mouse-proof. It holds maybe 6 or 7 boxes at a time. Better to do as in
Belden...send to the P.O. to be held for us. Sue and her assistant on
Saturdays Jennie are the very best. I can leave boxes there til either
Dennie and I or the P.O. Masters hear from you that you're arriving soon, or
until right before the date of your planned arrival (written on your
boxes??) is near. That way, I usually don't run out of mouse-proof
storage. Reach us at bobbnweav at gmail.com, 530.335.7463 or P.O. Box 12, Old
Station, CA 96071. P.O.'s number is 530.335.7292.
Burney Falls St. Pk....
Even if you don't plan to stay or even pick up a package here, you HAVE to
take a few minutes to see the falls. They are really unique, read the signs
and realize that this fall's headwaters, so to speak, are only about 1/3rd
of a mile upstream! Don't know where the water comes from before it emerges
from underground, but it's pretty amazing. The store will release your box
for $5.00 bail. Ranger/ Trail Angels Shirley and Jason will help you with
anything they can, including get you a ride into Burney the town, thus
saving hiker folk a somewhat nasty hitch into Burney (the town) from Hwy
299. Just keep walking til you get to the falls. For the best trail view,
take the alternate trail from just past where it crosses Hwy 89, just before
entering the St. Pk.
Castella....
Elevator's right...store and P.O. are next to each other and the store's
hours are longer. P.O.'s number should be in Yogi's, and the store's as
well. The Castle Cargs St. Pk is just up the road and will have your box
delivered to the Park if you ask them. A couple of Ranger/Trail Angels
there...I've met Brett s couple of times, very sweet and helpful. They are
trying to widen their accommodations for hikers, laundry? can't remember,
but you have your own hiker site.
Etna....
Well worth the hitch in...not just for the town's Etna BREWING Co. and old
fashioned soda fountain l which is located in the Scott's Vally Drug
store... but for the town itself and it's people. Very friendly!!t
The name of the B&B is Alderbrook Manor, tho I suspect that what Elevator
wrote would have gotten a package to the right spot. Whether it's Dave and
Vicki Henderson, the owners, or their managers, whose names I've forgotten,
and wish I knew, the Hiker Hut or the grounds around the B&B (you can camp
out there) make staying there a lovely experience. Alderbrook's phone
number is 530.4673917. UPS or FedEx packages there.
P.O.'s number is.
Be aware that you should plan your arrival so that you hit the trail head
on Hwy 3 in the late afternoon/early evening. Etna is tiny, many folks
commute out in the A.M. to work in Yreka, etc. and are homeward bound in the
afternoon/evening. They are very used to seeing and picking hikers up for
delivery to their Etna destination. There are a few other places to crash,
the Motel Etna and something called the CCTG. Bob's Ranch House served
me the best calimari steaks I've ever eaten, breakfast was also great....
That's about it,
FireFly
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:31:13 -0700
From: "Peter Dascalos" <peter at onthetrail.org>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] campfire permit
To: "David Stewart" <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>,
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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You will find the link to the USFS Fire Permit page here in the General
Section:
http://www.onthetrail.org/Outdoors/PCT/pctlinks.html
Learn the rules and download the permit.
Enjoy, OC Pete
www.onthetrail.org
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From: "David Stewart" <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:52 AM
Subject: [pct-l] campfire permit
> howdy,
>
> do we need campfire permits? is there such a thing? i have it on my PCT
> to-do list and it has been there so long, like old mustard.
>
> what is the story with the campfires, because, well, i sure do like a good
> campfire.
>
> -moondog
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:33:05 -0700
From: cvano at tmail.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] campfires while hiking...
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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No need for a campfire in most circumstances. If there is, use sticks
no larger than a pencil and keep the overall size smaller than a coffee
cup saucer. With this 'micro-fire' you still have a fire. You can cook
on it, warm yourself and tent, but use far less wood and leave much less
trace. I learned this in Korea where there is no firewood. C
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 9:26 am, Scott Bryce wrote:
> G. Lowe aka Wheeew wrote:
>> It may be an unpopular opinion Jeff, but I'm right there with ya.
>> Thanks for saying it!
>
> One more vote for no campfires in the back country.
>
> If you find yourself in an established campground, go for it.
>
> But to answer the OPs question (which has been answered several times
> in
> the last little while) a permit is needed in California for a fire of
> any type, including a stove.
>
> Find it here:
> http://tinyurl.com/2yv3ek
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It's not the Mountains that we conquer,
but Ourselves. Sir Edmund Hillary 1919-2008
Ol' Three Toes aka Chris
S/V Drifter ~~~_/)~~~
Anacortes, WA.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:52:52 +0000
From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Supplies not in P.O.'s
To: "Georgi Heitman" <bobbnweav at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID:
<032420081652.16909.47E7DC6400009E170000420D22165499760B040E990A0902079CD200000A06 at comcast.net>
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Georgi,
Good to hear from you. Just one point re: Etna. You mention timing this for the afternoon as folks heading home from Yreka in the afternoon. This really doesn't matter since Yreka (my hometown) is north of Etna on Highway 3 and the trailhead is 9 miles south of Etna. While the Etna Summit road appears to be out in the middle of nowhere there is a surprising amount of traffic on it as there is a number of back-woods towns over the mountain. There is a very large pull-out area at the summit most folks travelling this road during the summer are very aware that the PCT crosses the road and it is rare that more than one or two cars pass without stopping.
Jeff
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Georgi Heitman" <bobbnweav at gmail.com>
Yo, Jeff, how goes it?
Our list on No Cal places is pretty much right on but needs a bit of refining, hope you don't mind.
Belden....
Usually Brenda and Laurie Braaten, both of whom teach, drive out here to their future retirement home and T.A. station from way back East. They only get to spend about a month at their Little Haven. Better to send to Gen Del, Belton and request that it get picked up by the Braatens. Reach them anytime at LJBratten at aol.com and late June / July at 530.283.9880. That way, if you arrive before or after they are in Beldon, you know where your box is if it's not with them, ie, safely stacked with all the other boxes in the P.O., not sitting on the Bratten's doorstep, being ravaged by the local apple tree bear. The hours kept by the P.O. are strange, but the Post Mistress is very nice and will arrange to tuck your box away in a place you can find it. Phone number for the P.O. is in Yogi's Handbook. Don't have the P.O. mistresses name, wish I did.
Old Station....
Pretty much right on, except that we we only have a small closet that's mouse-proof. It holds maybe 6 or 7 boxes at a time. Better to do as in Belden...send to the P.O. to be held for us. Sue and her assistant on Saturdays Jennie are the very best. I can leave boxes there til either Dennie and I or the P.O. Masters hear from you that you're arriving soon, or until right before the date of your planned arrival (written on your boxes??) is near. That way, I usually don't run out of mouse-proof storage. Reach us at bobbnweav at gmail.com, 530.335.7463 or P.O. Box 12, Old Station, CA 96071. P.O.'s number is 530.335.7292.
Burney Falls St. Pk....
Even if you don't plan to stay or even pick up a package here, you HAVE to take a few minutes to see the falls. They are really unique, read the signs and realize that this fall's headwaters, so to speak, are only about 1/3rd of a mile upstream! Don't know where the water comes from before it emerges from underground, but it's pretty amazing. The store will release your box for $5.00 bail. Ranger/ Trail Angels Shirley and Jason will help you with anything they can, including get you a ride into Burney the town, thus saving hiker folk a somewhat nasty hitch into Burney (the town) from Hwy 299. Just keep walking til you get to the falls. For the best trail view, take the alternate trail from just past where it crosses Hwy 89, just before entering the St. Pk.
Castella....
Elevator's right...store and P.O. are next to each other and the store's hours are longer. P.O.'s number should be in Yogi's, and the store's as well. The Castle Cargs St. Pk is just up the road and will have your box delivered to the Park if you ask them. A couple of Ranger/Trail Angels there...I've met Brett s couple of times, very sweet and helpful. They are trying to widen their accommodations for hikers, laundry? can't remember, but you have your own hiker site.
Etna....
Well worth the hitch in...not just for the town's Etna BREWING Co. and old fashioned soda fountain l which is located in the Scott's Vally Drug store... but for the town itself and it's people. Very friendly!!t
The name of the B&B is Alderbrook Manor, tho I suspect that what Elevator wrote would have gotten a package to the right spot. Whether it's Dave and Vicki Henderson, the owners, or their managers, whose names I've forgotten, and wish I knew, the Hiker Hut or the grounds around the B&B (you can camp out there) make staying there a lovely experience. Alderbrook's phone number is 530.4673917. UPS or FedEx packages there.
P.O.'s number is.
Be aware that you should plan your arrival so that you hit the trail head on Hwy 3 in the late afternoon/early evening. Etna is tiny, many folks commute out in the A.M. to work in Yreka, etc. and are homeward bound in the afternoon/evening. They are very used to seeing and picking hikers up for delivery to their Etna destination. There are a few other places to crash, the Motel Etna and something called the CCTG. Bob's Ranch House served me the best calimari steaks I've ever eaten, breakfast was also great....
That's about it,
FireFly
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