[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47

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Hi Marzipan,
Pre-cooked rice is heavy (assuming you are talking about the Uncle Ben's pre-cooked rice).  I suppose it would be fine for the first or second night's dinner, but I would eat it relatively fast to eliminate the extra weight due to water still contained in the rice.  

I am hiking the JMT for 10 days starting 8/30/08 with friend.  About half of our meals will be freeze dried.  FD food isn't the best tasting, but it is light, and weight for me is everything.  The other dinners will be tortillas with melted Velveeta cheese and tuna or chicken from foil packets.  Since we are passing by Reds Meadow and VVR, we will stay overnight and feast. 

For breakfasts, it will be energy bars for when we want to get up and go in the morning, and granola with whole milk powder for those mornings when it will be very cold and we want to warmup in our bags while eating and drinking hot tea.

For lunch, I am trying something new.  It is Hammer's Perpeteum powder.  It is specifically made for endurance events of over two hours, and has more protein than the short duration powders.  Will also have some sort of trail mix, peanut M&Ms and possibly dried fruit and turkey jerky.  

Be sure to bring an electrolyte replacement drink.  I use Emergen-C.  

One thing my son and I learned the past two years of hiking in the Sierra of a similar duration as you, is that we took too much food.  I have heard that the appetite doesn't kick in until the 2nd or 3rd week, and it seems to hold true for us.

Enjoy your hike.

Tom KI6ASP
The Incredible Bulk



---- Chrystal Pendzich <ach.mensch at gmail.com> wrote: 

=============
I'm getting ready to go on a 5 day hiking trip - this is the longest I've
hiked before and I'm unsure how to prepare and organize my food. Does anyone
have any recommendations? Someone suggested bringing pre-cooked rice with
me, and I was thinking tortillas and peanut butter, some dried fruit and
nuts...you know, the usual. Any ideas would help!Thanks,
Marzipan

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>   3. Re: section hiking advice please (BIll & Cathy)
>   4. Re: section hiking advice please (Eric Lee (GAMES))
>   5. Trail conditions, WA PCT (Eric Lee (GAMES))
>   6. Re: Northern CA smoke / Etna Summit roadwalk details -    Please
>      (enyapjr at comcast.net)
>   7. Trail Conditions and Snow report for Jefferson Park in    Oregon
>      (mattjolley at comcast.net)
>   8. Postholer Snow Page - Major Revision (Postholer)
>   9. Etna Summit road walk - CORRECTIONS! (enyapjr at comcast.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kent Spring <kjssail at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] section hiking advice please
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi Janet -
> I can't recommend any one area over any other, but I can recommend a book
> that really exemplifies the best of why Section Hiking is a great way to
> hike the PCT.  Indeed, it just might be a much better way to hike the trial
> rather then the vaunted "thru-hike".  I think that the deserts of S Cal, the
> Sierra's and the Cascades are all great hiking, but very different!
>
> The book is : One Hundred Mile Summers: Hiking the Pacific Crest Trail from
> Mexico to Canada by Eleanor Guilford.  Eleanor, who for some strange reason
> had a regular job, took off for a week or two each year for something like
> 20-years and hiked the entire trail.  She never started until, I think, she
> was in her 40's.  Great book and great hiker.
>
> I notice it is for sale at Amazon, but it is also available through
> interlibrary loan at most libraries.
>
> have fun, Kent
>
> >
> > For a number of reasons it doesn't look like we can get
> > away for 5-6 months to try a thruhike on the PCT.  We can
> > however, do longer section hikes of 4-6 weeks.  If you could
> > hike anytime during the year, where would you go and when?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:59:01 EDT
> From: Bighummel at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] The New Monte Dodge Bear Canister!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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> Monte has finally done it! Out thinking bears, engineers with big,  long
> titles, etc. and come up with a technology breaking design that is, well,
> incredible.
>
> >From the instructions;
> "Release the handle by pulling down the strap and tightening the
>  fasteners.
> Press the button and remove the safety cap, then turn the knob  to unleash
> the spring and wind the excess slack onto the spool.  Loosen the  screws on
> the
> plate lid and insert the tabs into the slots.  Rotate  the control switch a
> quarter of a turn before lowering two levers.  Then  drop the main crank
> into a
> neutral position.  Be careful not to unscrew the  housing before engaging
> the
> catch.  Plug in and you're set to go.  If  smoke fills the tent, read the
> troubleshooting guide at the rear of this  manual."
>
> Greg "Strider" Hummel
> (tic, actually this is from the book by George Carlin, When Will Jesus
>  Bring
> the Pork Chops? With "tent" substituted for  "room")
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:04:28 -0700
> From: "BIll & Cathy" <tahoe.cat at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] section hiking advice please
> To: "Jim & Janet Ake" <jake2003at at sbcglobal.net>,
>        <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000e01c8ee91$a5ca0d10$b0406e47 at catherinehome>
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> The "Sierras"    Ground Pounder Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim & Janet Ake" <jake2003at at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:59 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] section hiking advice please
>
>
> > For a number of reasons it doesn't look like we can get away for 5-6
> > months to try a thruhike on the PCT.  We can however, do longer section
> > hikes of 4-6 weeks.  If you could hike anytime during the year, where
> > would you go and when?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Janet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:20:20 -0700
> From: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] section hiking advice please
> To: Jim & Janet Ake <jake2003at at sbcglobal.net>,
>        "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Janet wrote:
> >
> For a number of reasons it doesn't look like we can get away for 5-6
> months to try a thruhike on the PCT.  We can however, do longer section
> hikes of 4-6 weeks.  If you could hike anytime during the year, where
> would you go and when?
> >
>
> I can only speak to Washington and Oregon, as that's my home territory and
> where I've been doing my section hikes for the last several years.  I've
> covered all of Washington and half of Oregon so far, and it's all fantastic.
>  I'm doing another 140 miles at the end of August this year.  If I were
> planning a 6 week trip in that area (assuming the ability to average 100+
> miles per week), I'd probably start somewhere around Sisters and head north
> until I ran out or time or ran out of trail.  If planning for only 4 weeks,
> I'd probably start at the Panther Creek Campground in Section H and head
> north.  Adjust according to your hiking speed.
>
> In my opinion, the best time to hike in this area would be August and early
> September, with the last two weeks of August being the best all-around time
> on average.  In late July or the start of August you might have some
> mosquitoes left to deal with, depending on the weather that year, and by the
> middle of September you risk experiencing the joys of multi-day rainstorms,
> but for a six week section hike in Oregon or Washington, I'd probably start
> the last week of July and go through the first week of September.  For a
> four week trip, I'd start in early August and go through the end of August.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:54:17 -0700
> From: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail conditions, WA PCT
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Since there have been several people asking lately, I thought I'd point out
> some recent trail conditions reports from the Washington PCT.
>
> (7/22) Here's something from someone who attempted to hike from Stevens
> Pass to Snoqualmie Pass (WA section K) and was defeated by snow.  Very
> impressive picture included, considering it's late July!
> http://www.wta.org/~wta/cgi-bin.dev/wtaweb.pl?7+reports+displayM+2008072204
>
> (7/22) Someone reported meeting a PCT section hiker somewhere around
> Crystal Mountain who had walked from the Oregon border, "much of the way in
> snow".  No idea who that might be, but it must have been a lot of work.
> http://www.wta.org/~wta/cgi-bin.dev/wtaweb.pl?7+reports+displayM+2008072203
>
> (7/21) Still over five feet of snow in places around Lake Valhalla, north
> of Stevens Pass in WA section K.
> http://www.wta.org/~wta/cgi-bin.dev/wtaweb.pl?7+reports+displayM+2008072200
>
> (7/21) Still lots of snow on all north-facing slopes in WA section K.
> http://www.wta.org/~wta/cgi-bin.dev/wtaweb.pl?7+reports+displayM+2008072106
>
> (7/21)  LOTS of bugs out at Suiattle Pass in WA section K.  Two thru-hikers
> (SOBO, I presume?) sighted.
> http://www.wta.org/~wta/cgi-bin.dev/wtaweb.pl?7+reports+displayM+2008072110
> http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7968607&highlight=
>
> (7/21) Lots of snow between Dishpan Gap and Sauk Pass in WA section K.
> http://www.wta.org/~wta/cgi-bin.dev/wtaweb.pl?7+reports+displayM+2008072026
>
> The good news is that there are many more trip reports being written for
> the PCT than there were a few weeks ago, which means people are starting to
> get out on the trail.  It seems that a few thrus and section hikers have
> covered most or all of the WA PCT between them, so the trail is technically
> "passable".  Unfortunately, it's still far from easy hiking, though.  Expect
> difficult travel and difficult route-finding for awhile still.
>
> Eric
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:27:35 +0000
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Northern CA smoke / Etna Summit roadwalk details
>        -       Please
> To: mattjolley at comcast.net; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>        <
> 072520082227.10622.488A53570005A3720000297E22165486869D069F0E97020A at comcast.net
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>
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>
> It was extremely smoky late yesterday - at both Etna Summit and the Lovers
> Camp area...  Slightly better today, but the westerly winds are picking up
> bringing in more smoke once again...  The Caribou is still going strong -
> 7/24 report it is over 5800 acres; still lots of smoke from the Ukonom and
> Siskiyou Complexes as well...
>
> Regarding the roadwalk - the Scott River Road was very recently oiled and
> graveled for approximately 9 miles West out of Fort Jones...  Another good
> reason to take the Mugginsville cutoff - save at least 5 miles road walikng
> plus 7+ miles of the possibility of having gravel kicked up by cars passing
> you...
>
> Regarding the Trinity Alps closure - I simply quoted what was posted on a
> bulletin board (by the "Incident" people) outside Ray's Market in Etna...
> BTW, the trailheads I mentioned which were not posted a day after the
> 'closure' are in the Salmon River RD...  South Fork Lakes is in the Scott
> River RD, however...
> If you want to see something 'funny' - wait outside a FS district ranger
> office until the Incident folks come by and post yesterday's fire status...
>  The ranger disrict staff comes out to read the day-old bulletins to find
> out what is going on with the fires!  InciWeb (i.e. the Incident Command
> folks) doesn't seem to be able to communicate with the local forest service
> folks very well - and guess who has to pass along (mis)information to the
> public? - the local district staff!!...  Really sad when you seriously think
> about it!!!
>
> Still best wishes and good luck to the '08 thrus (AND section hikers,
> too!)...
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim / "PITA"
>
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: mattjolley at comcast.net
> > PCT is still open in the Trinity Alps Wilderness,  although the reports
> are that
> > it is smokey.
> >
> > The inciweb.org site for the Bear Wallow fire was corrected to specify
> the
> > Trinity Alps Wilderness closure was only for parts of the Salmon Ranger
> > Disctrict, not the entire Klamath National Forest
> > as it originally stated.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > pita wrote.
> > Hello from the Etna Library...
> >
> > Arrived in NorCal Tuesday afternoon/evening - VERY SMOKY...  Stopped by
> Castle
> > Crags/Amaratti's and gave a lift to 4 thrus to Mt. Shasta - couldn't see
> the
> > mountain at all!
> > Much smoke from the Caribou Fire (1 of 2 in the Bear Wallow Complex)
> which 'blew
> > up' late Monday and through Tuesday...
> > The Anthony Milne Fire (2 of 2 in Bear Wallow Complex) still burning but
> not
> > expanding much - however it is only being monitored - so the PCT remains
> CLOSED
> > from Etna Summit to Marble Valley...
> >
> > As of 7/23/08 reports, the Milne was at 1625 acres while the Caribou was
> 4807
> > acres (and by the smoke the Caribou is still growing)...
> > Also as of 7/23 the Trinity Alps Wilderness area that is in Klamath NF is
> closed
> > - but there was no posting at the Trail Gulch or Long Gulch trailheads
> late
> > 7/24...
> > The PCT does go through part of that area - i.e., ~South Fork Lakes basin
> to
> > Carter Meadows Summit...
> >
> > I will next be going to the NE corner of the Marble Mountains WA -
> Boulder Creek
> > trailhead (might be giving 2 thrus a ride to Lovers Camp IF new shoes
> arrive in
> > the mail today)...
> >
> > I'm printing out directions given previously,
> > <http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2008-July/019143.html>,
> for Etna
> > to Lovers Camp and will leave them at Alderbrook B&B in the Hikers Hut...
> >
> > Best wishes and good luck to everyone in this very smoky area of
> NorCal...  Wish
> > you could SEE this area!!
> > Happy trails!!!
> Jim / "PITA"
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:30:59 +0000
> From: mattjolley at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail Conditions and Snow report for Jefferson Park
>        in      Oregon
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>        <
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>
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>
>  Does anyone have better information on trail conditions in Jefferson Park
> and at Breitenbush Lk PCT trailhead?
>
>  Willamette NF  Detroit district is reporting 7/24  snow and ice over 5000
> ft. and verbally reported
>  that a hiker reported 7/22 that Jefferson park was 80 percent covered in 2
> to 3 feet of snow.
>
>  And Mt. Hood Clackamas district does not have any info on south rd. to
> Breitenbush Lake,
>  although the gate is believed to be open.
>
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/willamette/general/detroit/wboard.php
>
> Date: 7-24-08
> Subject: Mt.Jefferson Wilderness
> Significant snow remains above 5000 ft.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 7-24-08
> Subject: Jefferson Park Area
> Significant snow remains above 5000 ft. Still completely under 6-10 feet of
> snow. Lakes are still mostly frozen.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 7-24-08
> Subject: Pacific Crest Trail #2000
> Trailhead at Santiam Pass is accessible. Trailhead at Breitenbush Lk is not
> accessible.
> **The PCT at the Milk Ck crossing has been repaired and is now passable by
> hiker and stock traffic.**
> Significant snow remains above 5000 ft.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:38:10 -0700
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Postholer Snow Page - Major Revision
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001201c8eea7$1f571910$cfd78304 at Snoopy>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>        reply-type=original
>
> Yes, I know it's July....
>
> The snow page has undergone a major rewrite. You will not recognize it.
> Besides SWE graph/data it now has:
> + SWE (Snow Water Equivalent)
> + Daily Min Temp
> + Daily Max Temp
> + Daily precip amount
> + Annual Water Year precip
> + Snow Depth
>
> Read about all the changes:
> http://postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=549
>
> Visit the snow page:
> http://postholer.com/postholer/
>
> -postholer
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:29:35 +0000
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Etna Summit road walk - CORRECTIONS!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>        <
> 072620080129.12959.488A7DFF00053F4E0000329F22165579969D069F0E97020A at comcast.net
> >
>
>
> Had time this afternoon to check out the "Mugginsville" cutoff in the
> Quartz Valley area for the road walk from
> Etna Summit to Lovers Camp...
>
> Mileages are approximate!!!
> >From Etna Summit to the Alderbrook/Hikers Hut is ~10 miles...
> It is ~0.4 miles to 'downtown' Etna (such as the Etna Brewery!!) on Main
> Street...
> Turn left on Collier (Ray's Market), ~0.5 miles to Dotty's/Hwy. 3...
> Hwy. 3 North ~5.6 miles to 1st Greenview turnoff...
> Through Greenview on Main ~0.6 miles to Quartz Vally Road, turn left...
> Turn left ~1.6 miles (staying on Quartz Valley Road, do NOT go straight on
> Oro Fino Road)...
> Go ~1.8 miles to Mugginsville, stay on Quartz Valley Road (road curves to
> right at a junction)...
> Go straight at ~0.6 miles on Dangel Lane (formerly East Quartz Valley Road
> - sorry!) - a 'mix' of paved and dirt road...
> Rejoin Quartz Valley Road ~3.7 miles (turn right from Dangel Lane)...
> (if you stay on Quartz Valley Road instead of Dangel Lane, it will be ~4.5
> miles to the same point, but all paved)...
> Go ~0.8 miles to Scott River Road (at Meamber School), turn left...
> Go ~7.0 miles on Scott River Road to Indian Scotty bridge, turn left and go
> over bridge
> ~0.2 miles to Indian Scotty campground - water spigot at entrance is
> working...
> Take the "Trailheads" road and follow signs to Lovers Camp, ~7.3 miles...
> >From Lovers Camp to the PCT on Canyon Creek Trail is ~4.7 miles...
>
> [From 1st Greenview turnoff to Fort Jones is ~7.0 miles; Fort Jones to
> Meamber School on Scott River Road
> is ~7.2 miles...  Please note there is very little shade on those 14+
> miles; also the Scott River Road has been
> oiled and graveled for ~9 miles out of Fort Jones]
>
> My calculation for the Etna Summit/Etna/Lovers Camp/PCT road walk via the
> Mugginsville cut off is ~45 miles...
> According to the Data Book the closed PCT portion is ~24 PCT miles...
>
> Hope this info helps the PCT hikers!
>
> Best wishes and good luck on your journey!  Happy trails!!!
> Jim / "PITA"
>
>
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