[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 4, Issue 27

[Alison Rose]

Regarding visibility of the PCT in So Cal:
The summer storms of 07 in the Big Bear area delivered heavy rains causing 
mud and debris slides down the upper portion of Mission Creek canyon. 
(http://backpacker.trimbleoutdoors.com/ViewTrip.aspx?TripID=28494) The fires 
of 2005 almost completely denuded the area, leaving the canyon vulnerable to 
slides.  In some portions the trail is completely covered.  A topo and 
compass will be useful.  After the last northerly creek crossing, the trail 
again becomes hard to miss.

Wes

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>   4. Re: Marked trail at The S. border..... and photos (Mike Saenz)
>   5. Re: how well marked are the first several sections? (Steel-Eye)
>   6. Worst marked sections (Jeffrey Olson)
>   7. Re: Marked trail at The S. border..... and photos (Bill & Cathy)
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> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:42:15 -0800
> From: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiking poles
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> They saved my hike
> **********************************
>
> Warning: Hiking poles are only as helpful as the hiker is/isn't smart.
>
> I used my pole in 12/06 to see if an angled rock was icy. After falling 
> and injuring  both my MCL and totally tearing my ACL (requiring two 
> surgeries), yes, the rock was icy.
>
> are we there yet
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> From: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Marked trail at The S. border.....
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>    There is a trail maintenance crew working at the Mexico border
> North, this month.  Will the crew be making the trail easier to follow?
> I'll be down there in March.
>
> Jollylopper
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> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz at mve-architects.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Marked trail at The S. border..... and photos
> To: "Pat Wormington" <airecrew at netzero.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I saw this thread, but deleted it without reading- assuming others have
> responded with accurate beta....
>
>
>
> The PCT, in Sections A, B and C is a broad boulevard... no marking or
> navigation skills necessary. Even in snow, the trail is easy to pick out
> with perhaps a short little piece where the trail passes through the San
> Jacintos between just below Tahquitz and Skunk Cabbage Meadow- I did
> this in snow and the terrain is fairly flat and the trees are spaced out
> enough so that trail disappears when covered. But the half mile to
> Saddle J hugs the drop-off. You can't get misdirected easily. But if
> there's no snow, that trail get so much use, it's just as obvious as the
> rest.
>
>
>
> Signage isn't really necessary either. But at most all the intersection,
> there are some fairly nice signs pointing the way.
>
>
>
> MAYBE the parts that cut through dry creek washes in the desert can
> disappear in the soft sand, but the PCT post markers are generally there
> to anticipate the difficulty. These are very few and far between in the
> first couple sections.
>
>
>
> I've hiked a lot of the trails in the Southern California mountains. The
> PCT is by far the most consistently broad beaten path. Particularly when
> it passes through the high use areas.
>
>
>
> In the areas where it's just the PCT, the trail follows the most obvious
> routes in and out of canyons and through ridges.
>
>
>
> I'm trying to compile all my photos from the Southern Terminus northward
> here:
>
>
>
> http://oilcans-pct-photos.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> I have photos up to the top of Mission Creek in Section C. I just need
> to find the time post them...
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> -Oilcan
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Pat Wormington
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:57 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Marked trail at The S. border.....
>
>
>
>    There is a trail maintenance crew working at the Mexico border
> North, this month.  Will the crew be making the trail easier to follow?
> I'll be down there in March.
>
> Jollylopper
>
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> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz at mve-architects.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Marked trail at The S. border..... and photos
> To: "Pat Wormington" <airecrew at netzero.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> The dates indicated on the blog posts are the dates I uploaded the
> photos/posted the blog. I did the first 20 twice, once WAY back in the
> Spring of `03, and once during last ADZPCTKO.
>
> I did the first drop into The Borrego also in Spring (though it was
> April, it was the first heavy heat wave to hit the area and I was woozy
> by the time I got to Scissors Crossing).
>
> I did The San Felipes and the next crossing behind Anza during cooler
> months as well. Since I'm not a Thru Hiker, I get to pick and choose the
> seasons when I hike!
>
>
>
> But point well taken- the southern California sections are very dry most
> any year (and season for that matter).
>
>
>
> I don't think I'd call the PCT in this are near "urban" areas. Whenever
> you're near any community, they are the most remote communities around.
> My most uncomfortable feelings were hiking behind homes near Anza and
> crossing the I-10. Hiking behind homes while watching normal community
> activity around you is kinda weird...
>
>
>
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>
> Michael Saenz
> Associate Partner
>
>
> MVE Studio, Inc. | Architecture
> Irvine + Oakland + Honolulu
>
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> From: Pat Wormington [mailto:airecrew at netzero.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:48 AM
> To: Mike Saenz
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Marked trail at The S. border..... and photos
>
>
>
> It must have been awfully dry in the desert in Sept. '07.   I hiked
> Kennedy Meadows, North to Whitney, hiking the JMT mid July and half the
> springs were dry.  If the trail is so well used at the Border maybe I
> will see other hikers.  I usually hike solo but I would like some
> company down there, with urban centers so close by.  It's not exactly
> true Wilderness
>
> Thanks for the info. and Wonderful photos...........Jollylopper
>
>
>
> Mike Saenz wrote:
>
>
>
> I saw this thread, but deleted it without reading- assuming others have
> responded with accurate beta....
>
>
>
> The PCT, in Sections A, B and C is a broad boulevard... no marking or
> navigation skills necessary. Even in snow, the trail is easy to pick out
> with perhaps a short little piece where the trail passes through the San
> Jacintos between just below Tahquitz and Skunk Cabbage Meadow- I did
> this in snow and the terrain is fairly flat and the trees are spaced out
> enough so that trail disappears when covered. But the half mile to
> Saddle J hugs the drop-off. You can't get misdirected easily. But if
> there's no snow, that trail get so much use, it's just as obvious as the
> rest.
>
>
>
> Signage isn't really necessary either. But at most all the intersection,
> there are some fairly nice signs pointing the way.
>
>
>
> MAYBE the parts that cut through dry creek washes in the desert can
> disappear in the soft sand, but the PCT post markers are generally there
> to anticipate the difficulty. These are very few and far between in the
> first couple sections.
>
>
>
> I've hiked a lot of the trails in the Southern California mountains. The
> PCT is by far the most consistently broad beaten path. Particularly when
> it passes through the high use areas.
>
>
>
> In the areas where it's just the PCT, the trail follows the most obvious
> routes in and out of canyons and through ridges.
>
>
>
> I'm trying to compile all my photos from the Southern Terminus northward
> here:
>
>
>
> http://oilcans-pct-photos.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> I have photos up to the top of Mission Creek in Section C. I just need
> to find the time post them...
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> -Oilcan
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Michael Saenz
> Associate Partner
>
>
> MVE Studio, Inc. | Architecture
> Irvine + Oakland + Honolulu
>
> 1900 Main Street, Suite 800 | Irvine, California 92614-7318 | T
> 949.809.2700 | www.mve-studio.com <http://www.mve-studio.com/>
>
> <http://www.mve-studio.com/>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [
> mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Pat Wormington
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:57 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Marked trail at The S. border.....
>
>
>
>    There is a trail maintenance crew working at the Mexico border
> North, this month.  Will the crew be making the trail easier to follow?
> I'll be down there in March.
>
> Jollylopper
>
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> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:27:14 -0800
> From: "Steel-Eye" <chelin at teleport.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] how well marked are the first several sections?
> To: "Shay Blackley" <shayblackley at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Good afternoon, Shay,
>
>
>
> With few exceptions, I found the SoCal PCT to be both readily apparent and 
> well marked.  The one exception I remember is in certain portions in the 
> Mojave between Cottonwood Bridge, mile 534.8, and the Tehachapi-Willow 
> Springs Highway, mile 558.3.  That area had been heavily used by 
> dirt-bikers who both cross and follow the PCT.  There were lots of signs 
> where the more well-used bike trails cross, but many of them were down.  I 
> hiked that area a bit earlier than most of the crowd so there weren't many 
> footprints to follow.  It wasn't a real problem, just an aggravation that 
> required some scouting.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
>
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^  Join other hikers at:  http://www.aldhawest.org/  ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Shay Blackley
>  To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:01 PM
>  Subject: [pct-l] how well marked are the first several sections?
>
>
>  I have two questions. First, is the first several sections of the PCT 
> very well marked, Cause i've been on long distance hikes where it has been 
> very well marked, and others where you might as well guess where the trail 
> goes. Also what are the temps for so cal through Feb?
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:35:20 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] Worst marked sections
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Having hiked 2/3rds or so of the trail, the worst section I've run into
> was south of Lassen in 1992.  Logging destroyed a quarter mile of
> trail.  You're hiking along in old growth forest and all of sudden the
> wrath of the machine age stopped us in our tracks.
>
> My girlfriend was an excellent map reader and led us to the path within
> 100', but if it had been me, I'd've been struggling for an hour -
> heading sse rather than ssw.
>
> Other than coping with snow, what are some of the worst marked sections,
> where it isn't spaciness that gets you lost, but the trail actually
> disappears???
>
> Jeff, just Jeff....
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:55:48 -0800
> From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Marked trail at The S. border..... and photos
> To: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz at mve-architects.com>, "Pat Wormington"
> <airecrew at netzero.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Nice Pic's Mike    Ground Pounder
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Mike Saenz
>  To: Pat Wormington ; pct-l at backcountry.net
>  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:21 AM
>  Subject: Re: [pct-l] Marked trail at The S. border..... and photos
>
>
>  I saw this thread, but deleted it without reading- assuming others have 
> responded with accurate beta..
>
>
>
>  The PCT, in Sections A, B and C is a broad boulevard. no marking or 
> navigation skills necessary. Even in snow, the trail is easy to pick out 
> with perhaps a short little piece where the trail passes through the San 
> Jacintos between just below Tahquitz and Skunk Cabbage Meadow- I did this 
> in snow and the terrain is fairly flat and the trees are spaced out enough 
> so that trail disappears when covered. But the half mile to Saddle J hugs 
> the drop-off. You can't get misdirected easily. But if there's no snow, 
> that trail get so much use, it's just as obvious as the rest.
>
>
>
>  Signage isn't really necessary either. But at most all the intersection, 
> there are some fairly nice signs pointing the way.
>
>
>
>  MAYBE the parts that cut through dry creek washes in the desert can 
> disappear in the soft sand, but the PCT post markers are generally there 
> to anticipate the difficulty. These are very few and far between in the 
> first couple sections.
>
>
>
>  I've hiked a lot of the trails in the Southern California mountains. The 
> PCT is by far the most consistently broad beaten path. Particularly when 
> it passes through the high use areas.
>
>
>
>  In the areas where it's just the PCT, the trail follows the most obvious 
> routes in and out of canyons and through ridges.
>
>
>
>  I'm trying to compile all my photos from the Southern Terminus northward 
> here:
>
>
>
>  http://oilcans-pct-photos.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>  I have photos up to the top of Mission Creek in Section C. I just need to 
> find the time post them.
>
>
>
>  Cheers!
>
>
>
>  -Oilcan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  Michael Saenz
>  Associate Partner
>
>
>  MVE Studio, Inc. | Architecture
>  Irvine + Oakland + Honolulu
>
>  1900 Main Street, Suite 800 | Irvine, California 92614-7318 | T 
> 949.809.2700 | www.mve-studio.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net 
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Pat Wormington
>  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:57 AM
>  To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>  Subject: [pct-l] Marked trail at The S. border.....
>
>
>
>      There is a trail maintenance crew working at the Mexico border North, 
> this month.  Will the crew be making the trail easier to follow?  I'll be 
> down there in March.
>
>  Jollylopper
>
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