[pct-l] VVR -- 2007ers, should I avoid in 2008?

[Patrick Beggan]

Yeah, that's basically what I've been hearing on and off list -- nice  
place to visit, don't spend too much time there. I also think a lot of  
the negative emotions about the place being a combination of a single  
bad experience ruining  the feel of the place for some and as you  
said, tight budgets influencing the thinking of others. I have heard  
good things, though... I probably won't stay or get a resupply package  
here but I will probably stop in and have a soda or some chips or  
other luxury junk food.

Thanks for all the info, guys, its good to get a variety of opinions  
when making a judgement like this.


On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Donna Saufley wrote:

> VVR is an interesting place and I’d say definitely worth a visit.   
> With regard to the mudhole, they were draining both Florence and  
> EdisonLakes last year around August or September for some kind of  
> dam maintenance. I don’t know what the expectation is for the coming  
> season.
>
> The eclectic camp at VVR is a lively place in season with a  
> convergence of fishermen, intrepid four-wheelers, campers, JMT south  
> bounders, and nobo PCTers.  I really enjoyed the boat ride to and  
> from.  The food was excellent and reasonably priced for a remote  
> location, and the store was stocked with many hiker-type items.  
> Everything single thing there is hauled in by the proprietor and  
> crew many miles on a rough mountain road, so everything is a  
> precious and limited commodity for which they rightfully charge.   
> Consequently, hikers have found that by the time they add up their  
> food, beer, phone calls, laundry, etc. charges, they have a bit of a  
> tab.  Keep in mind that most hikers are on a limited budget, and  
> paying up for anything tends to be painful to them and a source of  
> complaint.
>
> I sent my resupply box to Muir Trail Ranch (so I could carry seven  
> days of food instead of nine) and then stopped at VVR.   They’re  
> extremely nice folks at MTR, and there was good stuff in their hiker  
> box.  They are more set up for their dude ranch group activities  
> than for the needs of thru-hikers, but it was worth the short side- 
> trip to go there.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> L-Rod
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net 
> ] On Behalf Of Robert W. Freed
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:47 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR -- 2007ers, should I avoid in 2008?
>
> I spent a night there in early June and found it great. One of the  
> best steaks I think I have ever had. Of course after a couple  
> hundred trail miles everything tastes good. Showers, laundry, food,  
> beer and a free tent cabin if there is room. Bears a plenty at night  
> but with food lockers and ear plugs I never noticed them.
>   On the other hand, on the way there I heard horror stories about  
> VVR. Over crowded, out of control bears, the mud hole that used to  
> be Lake Thomas A. Edison, etc... But I had a good time and plan to  
> stop there in '08.
>
> Robert
>
> >>>>>>>>Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com>  Wrote:>>>>>>>>>
> I've been reading Yogi's guidebook and also reading around the
> internet and it seems that since 2003 VVR has developed a bad
> reputation. Have they gotten a handle on things in 2007, or was it
> just as bad as 06/05/04?
>
> I'd like to stop in there but I'll avoid it and use Muir Trail Ranch
> or something, if necessary.
>
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