[pct-l] Baby Wipes
ben and kim kohl
benkimkohl at atlanticbb.net
Thu Jan 3 15:07:24 CST 2008
Baby wipes have no alcohol and come in all kinds of "sensitive skin"
varieties (i.e. with a little aloe or chamomile). They are incredibly
useful, especially in the desert, and can provide a little moisture to your
parched skin in addition to wiping away the dirt. Well worth a few ounces.
Hustle
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2. Re: Baby Wipes (Patrick Beggan)
3. Re: Baby Wipes (Patrick Beggan)
4. Re: Ray Day (Bob)
5. Re: Route Finding (g l)
6. Re: Ray Day (Slyatpct at aol.com)
7. Re: Class PCT DVDs Downloads (Slyatpct at aol.com)
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9. Re: Trout Lake, Washington reload? (bharve at dslextreme.com)
10. Re: Baby Wipes (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:45:40 -0800 (PST)
From: g l <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
To: Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat at verizon.net>, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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They do have alcohol dispensers. Hands are not mucous membranes. And the
alcohol gives me raging headaches after several uses. Soap and water is
better. In 25 years I have never seen an alcohol bath given in a hospital.
Alcohol is absorbed thru the skin and enters the bloodstream. In neonatal
intensive care units, it is forbidden to use alcohol wipes on the babies
skin, for obvious reasons. Any research on the net of the health hazards of
using isopropyl alcohol will enlighten the curious mind. ETOH (ethanol) is
the kind we drink. I think drinking rubbing alcohol will cause you to go
blind, maybe kill you....other fun stuff.
Anyway, I try to limit my responses on any give topic, to two. So I'm done!
Just wanted to give another perspective.
Wheeew
Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat at verizon.net> wrote: Do they still give Alcohol
baths in hospitals? Where I work, they have Alcohol dispensers all over the
place, for your hands. Ground Pounder Bill
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From: g l
To: Patrick Beggan ; PCT
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
This is not true. At very minimum, alcohol is very drying to the skin.
There is also some question as to carcinogenicity, etc. Research before
use. I believe Baby Wipes would be ok, alcohol wipes...nope!
Intensive care nurse and registered respiratory therapist x 25 years.
Wheeew
Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com> wrote:
Well, everyone is different, but alcohol wipes on your bare skin
don't really harm anything (I have pretty extensive medical experience,
although I'm no doctor, I'm just a medic). I mean, frequency is an
issue here -- if you're wiping down with alcohol wipes every twenty
minutes then you're probably going to see some irritation. Its my
experience that giving yourself a wipe-down with an alcohol wipe every
other day or so helps keep infection at bay as well as help prevent a
whole set of skin ailments.
Of course, it should note that my skin, uhh, "hydrates" at a rapid
pace. That is, I am very greasy. :P
On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:11 AM, g l wrote:
Folks, Please do NOT use alcohol wipes on your
skin.....especially on your more "sensitive" areas. Isopropyl
alcohol itself is extremely irritating to the skin and particularly
the mucous membranes. And guess what your.......exit area is
composed of???? Key-rect!!!! Mucous membranes. H20 if you have it,
is your best bet.....along with a gentle, non-rinse soap perhaps. Or
just stink! We all smell alike out there anyway, and we cancel each
other out. And the flat-landers??? Heck with em if they can't take
a joke! Just say NO to ETOH!!! (Other than the drinkin' kind,
perhaps.)
Wheeew
Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
jolson at olc.edu writes: All kidding aside, - ,
alcohol wipes kept rashes and skin irritations of any sort from
developing. It wasn't til I was 40 that I had to deal with this.
Now it's a fact of life that I "wipe down" before putting on the
long underwear and diving under the quilt for a dry, safe nights
sleep... It's part of being able to hike week after week, a
maintenance item.... Gotta keep the nether regions clean and dry...
--------------------------------
Switchback replies: I have used alcohol wipes for years along with
TP. I also carry hand sanitizer gel. Out on the trail I try to be
not only clean, but beyond that. I think this protects you from
getting sick and other irritations too. For me going to bed clean
at night makes for a more restful sleep. I carry my toilet
articles in a quart ZipLock bag. Works great.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:46:31 -0500
From: Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
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Exposure to alcohol preferable to bacteria build-up on skin due to
cleanliness issues. Alcohol will not have adverse effects if used
properly. Granted, yes, if you're going to be wiping down every 30
minutes you're going to get dry skin, possibly inflammations, etc.
Alcohol also kills indescriminately, good bacteria, bad bacteria, skin
cells, whatever. If you're wiping your hot spots once a day or once
every other day you'll be fine. I've heard a Col. (Colonel Dr, of
course) answer just a question like this in my presence which is wear
I'm basing some of my info, the rest is practical and from reading
studies that I have come across.
I used alcohol wipes once a day for four months, once, in place of
regular showers (showers were not available at this location). I
suffered no advance effects, not even dry skin (although it should be
noted my skin tends to be greasy as a norm).
And as for alcohol being a carcinogen... well, the studies that I've
read were very questionable and only associated a vague risk of cancer
with alcohol... and that was alcohol that was consumed, not used for
antibacterial or cleanliness purposes. Most of the hospitals I've
worked in (BAMC at Ft. Sam Houston, for one) are slowly phasing out
alcohol wipes not because of any carcinogenic factor but because of
the indescriminate cell-killing nature of alcohol. Unfortunately
iodine isn't going to clean you. :P
On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:23 PM, g l wrote:
> This is not true. At very minimum, alcohol is very drying to the
> skin. There is also some question as to carcinogenicity, etc.
> Research before use. I believe Baby Wipes would be ok, alcohol
> wipes...nope!
>
> Intensive care nurse and registered respiratory therapist x 25 years.
>
> Wheeew
>
> Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, everyone is different, but alcohol wipes on your bare skin
> don't really harm anything (I have pretty extensive medical
> experience, although I'm no doctor, I'm just a medic). I mean,
> frequency is an issue here -- if you're wiping down with alcohol
> wipes every twenty minutes then you're probably going to see some
> irritation. Its my experience that giving yourself a wipe-down with
> an alcohol wipe every other day or so helps keep infection at bay as
> well as help prevent a whole set of skin ailments.
>
> Of course, it should note that my skin, uhh, "hydrates" at a rapid
> pace. That is, I am very greasy. :P
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:11 AM, g l wrote:
>> Folks, Please do NOT use alcohol wipes on your skin.....especially
>> on your more "sensitive" areas. Isopropyl alcohol itself is
>> extremely irritating to the skin and particularly the mucous
>> membranes. And guess what your.......exit area is composed of????
>> Key-rect!!!! Mucous membranes. H20 if you have it, is your best
>> bet.....along with a gentle, non-rinse soap perhaps. Or just
>> stink! We all smell alike out there anyway, and we cancel each
>> other out. And the flat-landers??? Heck with em if they can't
>> take a joke! Just say NO to ETOH!!! (Other than the drinkin'
>> kind, perhaps.)
>>
>> Wheeew
>>
>> Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
>> jolson at olc.edu writes: All kidding aside, - , alcohol wipes kept
>> rashes and skin irritations of any sort from developing. It wasn't
>> til I was 40 that I had to deal with this. Now it's a fact of life
>> that I "wipe down" before putting on the long underwear and diving
>> under the quilt for a dry, safe nights sleep... It's part of being
>> able to hike week after week, a maintenance item.... Gotta keep the
>> nether regions clean and dry...
>> --------------------------------
>> Switchback replies: I have used alcohol wipes for years along with
>> TP. I also carry hand sanitizer gel. Out on the trail I try to be
>> not only clean, but beyond that. I think this protects you from
>> getting sick and other irritations too. For me going to bed clean
>> at night makes for a more restful sleep. I carry my toilet
>> articles in a quart ZipLock bag. Works great.
>> See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for
>> winter.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:54:36 -0500
From: Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
To: Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat at verizon.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Yeah, I've never seen an alcohol bath in a hospital.
And I'd like to state for the record I'm not outright disagreeing with
g l just disagreeing with the... intensity of the statement. I
completely agree that alcohol wipes will cause dry skin and irritate
the mucus membranes -- however, this will only happen from overuse. At
least as far as your anal sphincter and skin is concerned. Heh, never
thought I'd use the words anal sphincter on the PCT-L...
And again, everyone is different. If you're concerned about having a
reaction to alcohol wipes on the trail, try using them at home for a
few days. Although using alcohol wipes AND a shower will most likely
severely dry your skin unless you moisturize a lot.
Furthermore, the amount of alcohol that'll be absorbed transdermally
is so small as to be ridiculous in a full-grown adult. Alcohol
evaporates very fast (part of the reason why it is an effective
coolant and why it dries out skin so easily) and almost the entire
amount of alcohol that will be placed on your skin by an alcohol wipe
will evaporate before it even begins to penetrate any layer of skin. I
suspect a small amount will manage to be absorbed but we're talking...
single-digit microliters, here. A few dozen molecules. :P
It's been my experience that alcohol is forbidden from neonatal wards
because of the sensitivity of an infant's skin, not necessarily the
risk of absorbtion... although babies are an entire other field (and I
only know how to deliver them) and its possible that inhaled and
absorbed alcohol is a serious risk to them (in fact, I'm sure inhaled
alcohol vapors are). I can't speak definitively on that topic.
On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Bill & Cathy wrote:
> Do they still give Alcohol baths in hospitals? Where I work, they
> have Alcohol dispensers all over the place, for your hands. Ground
> Pounder Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: g l
> To: Patrick Beggan ; PCT
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
>
> This is not true. At very minimum, alcohol is very drying to the
> skin. There is also some question as to carcinogenicity, etc.
> Research before use. I believe Baby Wipes would be ok, alcohol
> wipes...nope!
>
> Intensive care nurse and registered respiratory therapist x 25 years.
>
> Wheeew
>
> Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, everyone is different, but alcohol wipes on your bare skin
> don't really harm anything (I have pretty extensive medical
> experience, although I'm no doctor, I'm just a medic). I mean,
> frequency is an issue here -- if you're wiping down with alcohol
> wipes every twenty minutes then you're probably going to see some
> irritation. Its my experience that giving yourself a wipe-down with
> an alcohol wipe every other day or so helps keep infection at bay as
> well as help prevent a whole set of skin ailments.
>
> Of course, it should note that my skin, uhh, "hydrates" at a rapid
> pace. That is, I am very greasy. :P
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:11 AM, g l wrote:
>> Folks, Please do NOT use alcohol wipes on your skin.....especially
>> on your more "sensitive" areas. Isopropyl alcohol itself is
>> extremely irritating to the skin and particularly the mucous
>> membranes. And guess what your.......exit area is composed of????
>> Key-rect!!!! Mucous membranes. H20 if you have it, is your best
>> bet.....along with a gentle, non-rinse soap perhaps. Or just
>> stink! We all smell alike out there anyway, and we cancel each
>> other out. And the flat-landers??? Heck with em if they can't
>> take a joke! Just say NO to ETOH!!! (Other than the drinkin'
>> kind, perhaps.)
>>
>> Wheeew
>>
>> Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
>> jolson at olc.edu writes: All kidding aside, - , alcohol wipes kept
>> rashes and skin irritations of any sort from developing. It wasn't
>> til I was 40 that I had to deal with this. Now it's a fact of life
>> that I "wipe down" before putting on the long underwear and diving
>> under the quilt for a dry, safe nights sleep... It's part of being
>> able to hike week after week, a maintenance item.... Gotta keep the
>> nether regions clean and dry...
>> --------------------------------
>> Switchback replies: I have used alcohol wipes for years along with
>> TP. I also carry hand sanitizer gel. Out on the trail I try to be
>> not only clean, but beyond that. I think this protects you from
>> getting sick and other irritations too. For me going to bed clean
>> at night makes for a more restful sleep. I carry my toilet
>> articles in a quart ZipLock bag. Works great.
>> See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for
>> winter.
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Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:55:28 -0500
From: "Bob" <BobandShell97 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ray Day
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I thought Billy Goat's plan for last year had some interesting reasoning
behind it, based on his years of hiking the PCT. Campo (ADZ) to Trail Pass
and then out to Lone Pine. Move up to Old Station and start hiking north to
Canada. Then come back to Lone Pine and hike north, ending at Old Station.
It avoids the probability (but not the possibility) of sustained bad weather
in N WA and really minimizes snow and deep water crossings in the Sierra.
Of course, there are those for whom a continuous non-segmented hike is the
only way to go. I guess if you've done it before, you're more open to
options. To each her/his own.
Dr Bob
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
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Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ray Day
In a message dated 1/2/2008 10:48:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
len5742 at gmail.com writes:
What's parameter values define 'Ray Day'? Is it the same thing as the
'Sierra Entry Indicator' over on postholer.com?
---------------------------
Ray Day June 15th in a normal snow year. I like it. If you start at the
Kick off you'll most likely get to KM a few days early and you can rest up
and hang out Meadow Ed.
Here's a question I've been meaning to ask. If for some reason I feel as
though I'm falling behind and don't want to be hiking into Canada in
October, and I skip up some, is there a good 200 mile section in Oregon to
hike at that time with easy logistics to come back to?
Sly
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:04:38 -0800 (PST)
From: g l <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Route Finding
To: Home <jeffreyn at sonic.net>, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Jeff,
This looks interesting. Is it only available for CA????
Wheeew
Home <jeffreyn at sonic.net> wrote: For those who use Topo software, a datafile
for the PCT is available for
download from the publisher's website.
http://www.trailsillustrated.com/topo/search.cfm
--
Jeffrey "57" Zimmerman
Sonoma County
The Left Coast
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:07:20 EST
From: Slyatpct at aol.com
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BobandShell97 at verizon.net writes:
Of course, there are those for whom a continuous non-segmented hike is the
only way to go. I guess if you?ve done it before, you?re more open to
options. To each her/his own.
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I've never had a continuous non-segmented hike on a long trail. No need to
start now. I'm used to the opinion I'm not a real thru-hiker. I'm OK with
just being a long distance hiker.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:22:13 EST
From: Slyatpct at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Class PCT DVDs Downloads
To: yosemiteryan at yahoo.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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In a message dated 1/3/2008 3:17:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
yosemiteryan at yahoo.com writes:
To download a copy of the Class of 2003, 2004, 2005 or
2006 DVD, download all the files in that year to the
same location on your hard drive.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:25:01 EST
From: Slyatpct at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Class PCT DVDs Downloads
To: yosemiteryan at yahoo.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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In a message dated 1/3/2008 3:22:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, Slyatpct
writes:
In a message dated 1/3/2008 3:17:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
yosemiteryan at yahoo.com writes:
To download a copy of the Class of 2003, 2004, 2005 or
2006 DVD, download all the files in that year to the
same location on your hard drive.
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LOL... I didn't mean to send that. Off topic uTorrent question (I guess
it's realy not off topic)
The other day I was looking at my router's configuration and disabled upnp.
is that OK, will it effect donwnloads? I have forwarded the uTorrent port.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:27:48 -0800 (PST)
From: bharve at dslextreme.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trout Lake, Washington reload?
To: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
Cc: pct <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Deems,
Your photo galleries don't need more pictures! On second thought, you
don't have any of Mt. Jefferson, so hike the section and click away.
On hike last year, on 8/31, met 'Tripod' (PCT 2000) at crossing of Hwy 8810.
A super enthusiastic angel, out angling to give hikers rides into Trout
Lake! Related that he was relocating to Trout Lake and building his home
there. Said that Trout Lake is super hiker-friendly and welcoming. He
could well be angeling again next year when thru hikers can be expected to
be passing through. I hadn't planned to go into Trout Lake, so didn't
avail myself of his generosity, and didn't get any other info.
If Hwy 88 hitch doesn't work, Tripod might respond to call for a ride. If
Hwy 23 is still blocked, Hwy 88 could have fair traffic. If you call the
store/inn (?) in Trout Lake they should have local knowledge. You may
also be able to get a phone number for Tripod, if he's posted it at the
store.
As to whether Trout Lake is a good choice for resupply, hikers who've been
there are all positive.
Regards,
geezer
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:45:46 +0000
From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
To: g l <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>, Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat at verizon.net>,
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This whole discussion of alcohol wipes vs baby wipes is way more facinating
than that crazy debate over water caches! I know that my backside will
benefiit from hearing more on this discussion. Is there any chance the
water cache providers could place one of these alcohol dispensers at the
water caches? This way, even those that are opposed to the water caches
would have yet another reason to stop by these oasises.
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From: g l <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>
They do have alcohol dispensers. Hands are not mucous membranes. And the
alcohol gives me raging headaches after several uses. Soap and water is
better. In 25 years I have never seen an alcohol bath given in a hospital.
Alcohol is absorbed thru the skin and enters the bloodstream. In neonatal
intensive care units, it is forbidden to use alcohol wipes on the babies
skin, for obvious reasons. Any research on the net of the health hazards of
using isopropyl alcohol will enlighten the curious mind. ETOH (ethanol) is
the kind we drink. I think drinking rubbing alcohol will cause you to go
blind, maybe kill you....other fun stuff.
Anyway, I try to limit my responses on any give topic, to two. So I'm done!
Just wanted to give another perspective.
Wheeew
Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat at verizon.net> wrote:
Do they still give Alcohol baths in hospitals? Where I work, they have
Alcohol dispensers all over the place, for your hands. Ground Pounder Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: g l
To: Patrick Beggan ; PCT
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
This is not true. At very minimum, alcohol is very drying to the skin.
There is also some question as to carcinogenicity, etc. Research before
use. I believe Baby Wipes would be ok, alcohol wipes...nope!
Intensive care nurse and registered respiratory therapist x 25 years.
Wheeew
Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com> wrote:
Well, everyone is different, but alcohol wipes on your bare skin don't
really harm anything (I have pretty extensive medical experience, although
I'm no doctor, I'm just a medic). I mean, frequency is an issue here -- if
you're wiping down with alcohol wipes every twenty minutes then you're
probably going to see some irritation. Its my experience that giving
yourself a wipe-down with an alcohol wipe every other day or so helps keep
infection at bay as well as help prevent a whole set of skin ailments.
Of course, it should note that my skin, uhh, "hydrates" at a rapid pace.
That is, I am very greasy. :P
On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:11 AM, g l wrote:
Folks, Please do NOT use alcohol wipes on your skin.....especially on your
more "sensitive" areas. Isopropyl alcohol itself is extremely irritating to
the skin and particularly the mucous membranes. And guess what
your.......exit area is composed of???? Key-rect!!!! Mucous membranes.
H20 if you have it, is your best bet.....along with a gentle, non-rinse soap
perhaps. Or just stink! We all smell alike out there anyway, and we cancel
each other out. And the flat-landers??? Heck with em if they can't take a
joke! Just say NO to ETOH!!! (Other than the drinkin' kind, perhaps.)
Wheeew
Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
jolson at olc.edu writes: All kidding aside, - , alcohol wipes kept rashes and
skin irritations of any sort from developing. It wasn't til I was 40 that I
had to deal with this. Now it's a fact of life that I "wipe down" before
putting on the long underwear and diving under the quilt for a dry, safe
nights sleep... It's part of being able to hike week after week, a
maintenance item.... Gotta keep the nether regions clean and dry...
--------------------------------
Switchback replies: I have used alcohol wipes for years along with TP. I
also carry hand sanitizer gel. Out on the trail I try to be not only clean,
but beyond that. I think this protects you from getting sick and other
irritations too. For me going to bed clean at night makes for a more
restful sleep. I carry my toilet articles in a quart ZipLock bag. Works
great.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:50:52 -0500
From: Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
To: jeff.singewald at comcast.net, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Notably they also make non-alcohol sanitary wipes. I know when I was
at basic at Ft. Knox that's all they allowed us to buy (some crazy
private had tried drinking the squeezings from the alcohol wipes).
Perhaps those concerned about dry skin/irritated membranes should
consider those instead. :P
On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:45 PM, jeff.singewald at comcast.net wrote:
> This whole discussion of alcohol wipes vs baby wipes is way more
> facinating than that crazy debate over water caches! I know that my
> backside will benefiit from hearing more on this discussion. Is
> there any chance the water cache providers could place one of these
> alcohol dispensers at the water caches? This way, even those that
> are opposed to the water caches would have yet another reason to
> stop by these oasises.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: g l <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>
> They do have alcohol dispensers. Hands are not mucous membranes.
> And the alcohol gives me raging headaches after several uses. Soap
> and water is better. In 25 years I have never seen an alcohol bath
> given in a hospital. Alcohol is absorbed thru the skin and enters
> the bloodstream. In neonatal intensive care units, it is forbidden
> to use alcohol wipes on the babies skin, for obvious reasons. Any
> research on the net of the health hazards of using isopropyl alcohol
> will enlighten the curious mind. ETOH (ethanol) is the kind we
> drink. I think drinking rubbing alcohol will cause you to go blind,
> maybe kill you....other fun stuff.
>
> Anyway, I try to limit my responses on any give topic, to two. So
> I'm done! Just wanted to give anoth er per spective.
>
> Wheeew
>
> Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat at verizon.net> wrote:
> Do they still give Alcohol baths in hospitals? Where I work, they
> have Alcohol dispensers all over the place, for your hands. Ground
> Pounder Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: g l
> To: Patrick Beggan ; PCT
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
>
> This is not true. At very minimum, alcohol is very drying to the
> skin. There is also some question as to carcinogenicity, etc.
> Research before use. I believe Baby Wipes would be ok, alcohol
> wipes...nope!
>
> Intensive care nurse and registered respiratory therapist x 25 years.
>
> Wheeew
>
> Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, everyone is different, but alcohol wipes on your bare skin
> don't really harm anything (I have pretty extensive medical
> experience, although I'm no doctor, I'm just a medic). I mean,
> frequency is an issue here -- if you're wiping down with alcohol
> wipes every twenty minutes then you're probably going to see some
> irritation. Its my experience that giving yourself a wipe-down with
> an alcohol wipe every other day or so helps keep infection at bay as
> well as help prevent a whole set of skin ailments.
>
> Of course, it should note that my skin, uhh, "hydrates" at a rapid
> pace. That is, I am very greasy. :P
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:11 AM, g l wrote:
>> Folks, Please do NOT use alcohol wipes on your skin.....especially
>> on your more "sensitive" areas. Isopropyl alcohol itself is
>> extremely irritating to the skin and particularly the mucous
>> membranes. And guess what your.......exit area is composed of????
>> Key-rect!!!! Mucous membranes. H20 if you have it, is your best
>> bet.....along with a gentle, non-rinse soap perhaps. Or just
>> stink! We all smell alike out there anyway, and we cancel each
>> other out. And the flat-landers??? Heck with em if they can't
>> take a joke! Just say NO to ETOH!!! (Other than the drinkin'
>> kind, perhaps.)
>>
>> Wheeew
>>
>> Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
>> jolson at olc.edu writes: All kidding aside, - , alcohol wipes kept
>> rashes and skin irritations of any sort from developing. It wasn't
>> til I was 40 that I had to deal with this. Now it's a fact of life
>> that I "wipe down" before putting on the long underwear and diving
>> under the quilt for a dry, safe nights sleep... It's part of being
>> able to hike week after week, a maintenance item.... Gotta keep the
>> nether regions clean and dry...
>> --------------------------------
>> Switchback replies: I have used alcohol wipes for years along with
>> TP. I also carry hand sanitizer gel. Out on the trail I try to be
>> not only clean, but beyond that. I think this protects you from
>> getting sick and other irritations too. For me going to bed clean
>> at night makes for a more restful sleep. I carry my toilet
>> articles in a quart ZipLock bag. Works great.
>> See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for
>> winter.
>> _______________________________________________
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> From: g l <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>
> Date: January 3, 2008 2:45:55 PM EST
> To: Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat at verizon.net>, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes
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