[pct-l] Question marks . . .
JOHN F PATTERSON
yuppatt at sbcglobal.net
Thu Dec 11 18:23:29 CST 2008
Finally someone else notices the ? ? ? ? ? ? I quit writing the great American novel on here as I couldn ' t ??? shake thoise ????
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1. Re: multi fuel stove (Robert W. Freed)
2. Re: stoves (d hans)
3. Re: mountain education & Ned Tibbits (Donna "L-Rod" Saufley)
4. Re: Thru-hike cost: It's not cheap! (kcristler)
5. Re: Help with No Way Ray's PCT book (kcristler)
6. saying no to alcohol (greg jacobs)
7. Re: Thru-hike cost: It's not cheap! (patti kulesz)
8. What bag rating? (Rick Ostheimer)
9. woohoo old school white gas! (Adam Canter)
10. Re: Sleeping Bag Ratings (Gary Schenk)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:46:24 -0800 (PST)
From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] multi fuel stove
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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OK, I give up. How does the knob adjust the flame? I assume it
somehow constricts air flow. But the web site also does a good
job of hiding the most important parts of the items they sell.
Of course that's the point, I guess.
See FeatherFire Stove at www.packafeather.com
Robert
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:00:19 -0800 (PST)
From: d hans <dhonah775 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] stoves
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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B.A.
After much deliberation, I am also planning on carrying my Wisperlite. I was going to switch to the alc stove (as the nazis would have it), but decided that it sounds a little dangerous for someone like me who is not experienced (and others who are not super careful) with it. Plus, I've been using my whisperlite ever since i was a tiny babe naked in the forest, so i'm comfortable with it and its little quirks. Plus, it simmers. *wink*
i don't think fuel will be too tough to find for the resourceful. we kin share. Furthermore, although I haven't checked into it, I read in a thread a week or so ago that it is legal to send *some* amounts of *some* flammables by ground with USPS. We are to check their website for specifc regulations and limitations.
Dawn
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From: "Will Hiltz" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Multi-fuel stove?
Also-
Don't listen to those alcohol-stove nazis! My MSR was AWESOME, not too
heavy, and cooked up delicious grub in a flash! Stick with the whisper...
YITOOD,
Easy
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Will Hiltz <will.hiltz at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can partially field this one-
>
>
> I carried a whisperlite in 2007 and it is possible to find fuel if you're
> willing to look. Many places will actually have white gas, and in a
> majority of places you should be able to buy Coleman fuel, though you might
> be compelled to buy the large gallon-size at times. Hiker boxes also
> sometimes have appropriate fuel in them. Towns with outfitters of any size
> should sell either white gas by the ounce or white gas in smaller
> containers. If you're using the Internationale you can, of course, also use
> unleaded gasoline which is available at pretty much every stop. The only
> area of the trail I came close to running out was the Ashland-Sisters
> stretch but only because both Crater Lake and Shelter Cove were temporarily
> out of gas.
>
>
> YITOOD,
>
> Easy
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:10 PM, <WalkinBA at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Planning for this first PCT trip is delightful but challenging. After
>> considerable thought, and until I learn otherwise, I am taking a moderate
>> (lightw
>> eight but not ultralite) approach. I want to 1) cook, and 2) use a more
>> robust, fossil-fuel burning stove. It is reported that white gas and
>> cannister
>> fuel is not reliably available in some or even most resupply points. If
>> I
>> were to bring a Whisperlite Internationale multi-fuel stove, it seems to
>> me that
>> either white gas, kerosene, or unleaded gasoline would have to be
>> available
>> most resupply points. Can any of you experienced thru-walkers support or
>> correct my hypothesis?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> B.A.>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:42:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: "Donna \"L-Rod\" Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] mountain education & Ned Tibbits
To: ned at pacificcrestcustombuilders.com, Bill Frenette
<tahoe.cat at verizon.net>
Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I can attest that this was an excellent experience and well worth the trip. It was stunningly beautiful with 20' of snow. Snowshoeing across Echo Lakes was unforgettable. Of course, the blizzard we experienced dumped another two feet. We made it through and had a blast to boot! Talk about a great confidence builder for dealing with winter conditions. We learned about so many things . . . snow camping; testing for avalance danger and reading the snow in a snow pit; using the ice axe tumbling from many directions; orientation using topo maps, and more.
Ned came well prepared and I felt very safe under his leadership. I was real glad he didn't have to use his full size rescue sled to get me out of there!
-----Original Message-----
>From: ned at pacificcrestcustombuilders.com
>Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:31 PM
>To: Bill Frenette <tahoe.cat at verizon.net>
>Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] mountain education & Ned Tibbits
>
>Hey, Bill! Thanks for the referral to Amanda the other day!! I'm not sure when I can teach a Snow Clinic this season, but if there is enough interest in snow camping, snow navigation and route-finding, snow safety, glissading, self-arrest techniques, and avalanche awareness I'll start putting some dates together. The classes will be in Desolation Wilderness, hwy. 50, Echo Summit, South Lake Tahoe.
>
>Semper Fi, my friend!
>
>Mtnned
>
>
>
>Ned Tibbits, CEO
>Pacific Crest Custom Builders, Inc
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.pacificcrestcustombuilders.com
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:44:26 -0800
From: "kcristler" <kerouc at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-hike cost: It's not cheap!
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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regarding rick's assessment of the cost of his through hike: I deducted
the "i would have spent anyway costs", and came up with a total of about
4700. rick mows 2 acres of grass (why? ). He also spent an incredible amount
of money on motels. If i trim rick's motel bill by one third, and cut his
gardening fees in half, which would be more in line, but still much greater,
than any young, apt. living hiker, then his out of pocket total is about
3800. If I estimate he saved 500 on gas and 200 on cable, then his out of
pocket cost is about 3100. that is about 1 and 3/28 dollar per mile. Not
bad.
kerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Ostheimer" <rick.ostheimer at sbcglobal.net>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Thru-hike cost: It's not cheap!
>A while back there was a thread on thru hike costs. It was cloudy,
> rainy, cold and just plain miserable here in NE Ohio today, so I got a
> "round tuit" and loaded up a spreadsheet with all my 2008 thru hike
> expenses. I had the statements from my Visa card and my bank
> transaction history covering the hike period.
>
> I don't have anything in for lost wages because I'm retired, though I
> supposed I could put in about 30% of my formerly much larger stock
> portfolio since I couldn't mind it and bail out while I was happily
> walking the trail. You don't know how much book value I lost during
> that time frame from April to October. I don't include taxes,
> utilities, etc. on my home----my wife has to have somewhere to live!
> Nor do I include my health insurance expense----I pay for it whether I
> sit home or hike. I do include what I paid an neighbor to mow my 2
> acres if grass while I was gone.
>
> Here's the break down:
>
> $ 550 Travel to/from trail (base location Pittsburgh PA)
> 1375 *Food from supermarkets
> 1050 *Restaurants and visa charges of snack foods
> 1285 Lodging
> 450 Postage
> 225 Contributions to trail angels/gas money for rides
> 700 *Pocket money (cash otherwise unaccounted for---mostly snacks,
> but also things like bus fares, etc.)
> 600 Equipment (2 sets spare socks, gaiters, clothes from REI,
> Seattle, $100, for travel home)
> 80 Fuel (alcohol, I often left 1/2 pint in hiker boxes)
> 250 Replacement pocketmail composer and pocketmail service
> subscription
> 250 Other, mostly spending at drug stores
> 1000 Lawn care back home
>
> 7815 Total (= approx $3/mile)
>
> * indicates expenditures that would have been made regardless of whether
> I was home or not.
>
> Offsetting some of the extra expenses: I spent no money on gasoline. I
> put my cable service into vacation mode ($10/month)
>
> Hope this helps some future hiker.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:50:42 -0800
From: "kcristler" <kerouc at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Help with No Way Ray's PCT book
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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what are all the question marks for????????????????????
kerry?
----- Original Message -----
From: <stonedancer1 at aol.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Help with No Way Ray's PCT book
> We're in final design on No Way Ray's PCT book, A Thru-Hiker's Heart.? I'm
> targetting PCTA Trail Fest to have it ready for you all.? Anyhow, I need
> help locating some past hikers, probably in 2002 or 2003:
>
> Ian-the-Brit, aka Ian Pomfrit?
> Doc
> Florida Bob
> One Gallon
>
> For those of you new to the trail, No Way was the thru-hiker killed on the
> trail in May 2006, above Deep Creek.? It's a great book, if I say so
> myself.? Much different than the miles/bugs/blisters narratives you're
> familiar with.?
>
> So, if you can help me contact these guys, it would be appreciated.? Stone
> Dancer (Mrs. No Way)
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:37:52 -0800
From: "greg jacobs" <pcthiker08 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] saying no to alcohol
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with the high fire danger that is persistent throughout southern California
i cant help but think that it is time for the PCT community to take a stand
against the use of alcohol stoves, at least thru the dry sections of
California, All PCT hikers should really think about alternatives that would
reduce the chances of fires starting because of accidents with our alcohol
stoves. comments? opinions?
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:02:02 -0800 (PST)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-hike cost: It's not cheap!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, kcristler <kerouc at verizon.net>
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This whole thing started b/c someone asked how much it would cost to hike. It has nothing to do with what wages will be lost while hiking or how much one's wife needs to survive. It's about HIKING the PCT!? I'm not the original poster but it would be nice to have an idea for myself.
SO....if you already have your gear and don't stay in hotels and you send all your food and don't camp at campgrounds that cost money and don't eat at restaurants. I believe that was the original question. So basically what is needed to be answered here is only what one would spend on trail angels, food (that is sent for resupply), postage for resupply, and such.
patti
--- On Thu, 12/11/08, kcristler <kerouc at verizon.net> wrote:
From: kcristler <kerouc at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-hike cost: It's not cheap!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 1:44 PM
regarding rick's assessment of the cost of his through hike: I deducted
the "i would have spent anyway costs", and came up with a total of
about
4700. rick mows 2 acres of grass (why? ). He also spent an incredible amount
of money on motels. If i trim rick's motel bill by one third, and cut his
gardening fees in half, which would be more in line, but still much greater,
than any young, apt. living hiker, then his out of pocket total is about
3800. If I estimate he saved 500 on gas and 200 on cable, then his out of
pocket cost is about 3100. that is about 1 and 3/28 dollar per mile. Not
bad.
kerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Ostheimer" <rick.ostheimer at sbcglobal.net>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Thru-hike cost: It's not cheap!
>A while back there was a thread on thru hike costs. It was cloudy,
> rainy, cold and just plain miserable here in NE Ohio today, so I got a
> "round tuit" and loaded up a spreadsheet with all my 2008 thru
hike
> expenses. I had the statements from my Visa card and my bank
> transaction history covering the hike period.
>
> I don't have anything in for lost wages because I'm retired,
though I
> supposed I could put in about 30% of my formerly much larger stock
> portfolio since I couldn't mind it and bail out while I was happily
> walking the trail. You don't know how much book value I lost during
> that time frame from April to October. I don't include taxes,
> utilities, etc. on my home----my wife has to have somewhere to live!
> Nor do I include my health insurance expense----I pay for it whether I
> sit home or hike. I do include what I paid an neighbor to mow my 2
> acres if grass while I was gone.
>
> Here's the break down:
>
> $ 550 Travel to/from trail (base location Pittsburgh PA)
> 1375 *Food from supermarkets
> 1050 *Restaurants and visa charges of snack foods
> 1285 Lodging
> 450 Postage
> 225 Contributions to trail angels/gas money for rides
> 700 *Pocket money (cash otherwise unaccounted for---mostly snacks,
> but also things like bus fares, etc.)
> 600 Equipment (2 sets spare socks, gaiters, clothes from REI,
> Seattle, $100, for travel home)
> 80 Fuel (alcohol, I often left 1/2 pint in hiker boxes)
> 250 Replacement pocketmail composer and pocketmail service
> subscription
> 250 Other, mostly spending at drug stores
> 1000 Lawn care back home
>
> 7815 Total (= approx $3/mile)
>
> * indicates expenditures that would have been made regardless of whether
> I was home or not.
>
> Offsetting some of the extra expenses: I spent no money on gasoline. I
> put my cable service into vacation mode ($10/month)
>
> Hope this helps some future hiker.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:05:39 -0500
From: Rick Ostheimer <rick.ostheimer at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] What bag rating?
To: r.sartini at rcn.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Bob,
I'm pretty sure you'll be good with a 20 degree or even a 25 degree
rating. Remember you can always wear your warm jacket in the bag.
I carried a 15 degree rated Mtn Hardware down bag with 800 fill. It was
plenty warm in the coldest weather I encountered and I started the trail
April 4 heading sobo from Walker Pass. Most of the time, it was too
warm for my "sleep" clothes, Smartwool lightweight long-sleeve top and
bottom. In fact, even on the coldest nights, I usually wound up
shedding the long underwear when my body got the bag warmed up as it was
too hot. I usually cowboy camped, so there was also often a breeze.
Handlebar
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:15:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Adam Canter <anc21 at humboldt.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] woohoo old school white gas!
To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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We have been talking about issues finding white gas on the PCT because it seems like most people are using alcohol, but we prefer our MSR dragonfly because of cooking preferences. Is it really difficult to find white gas these days?
Hemlock Muppet
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:18:07 -0800
From: Gary Schenk <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bag Ratings
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Thursday 11 December 2008 11:21:11 Bob Sartini wrote:
>
> So ... is a 20 degree bag good enough for the colder days on the PCT more
> or less with a lot of caveats. What degree bag would people bring?
>
IMHO, a 20 degree bag will be more than adequate.
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