[pct-l] permits

[Will Hiltz]

In my experience it is nearly impossible to hang food in such a way that
bears can't get to it.  There have been some amazing videos demonstrating
this circulated on this list if you need visual proof.  Even if you are a
crack food hanger to do it in such a way that would prevent bears from
getting to it would take you something on the order of a few hours each day
for set-up and take down.  If you are willing to budget say two more hours
of non-hiking time through the Sierras to set up and take down your
bulletproof bearhang every night well then godspeed to you!  Just keep in
mind that this will be tough if you're trying to make miles and you're going
to be exhausted with all the tough trail  in the Sierra.  Often fatigue and
not stopping long enough before dark are two of the biggest factors in
cutting some corners in the hanging process... trust me, even if it is heavy
the can ends up saving you a lot of energy.  And you don't even have to buy
one (*insert plug for bear-can loan program here*)!



YITOOD,

Easy

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Bob Sartini <r.sartini at rcn.com> wrote:

> When you say the Rangers make exceptions for thruhikers does that mean
> bearcans are optional for thruhikers? I still don't have an idea if bear
> cans  are just a "rule" or we REALLY need a bear cams. I get a lot of
> "follow the rules" type answers and I'll be a good dubie and get one but do
> I NEED one. If I'm a first class food hanger is that REALLY not good
> enough.
> Are Sierra bears exposed to more clueless people than the Shendoah or the
> Smokies? That would be a new level of cluelessness  I think.
> "EVERYTHING is in walking distance,"
>    ......Bamboo Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna "L-Rod" Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> To: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] permits
>
>
> > Hmmm, I think that needs to be qualified a bit.  You don't need a Whitney
> > sticker if you're accessing from the JMT's approach out of Crabtree.  You
> > DO have to have a permit if you're staying overnight pretty much anywhere
> > in the Sierras, or accessing the range through most side trails (ie.,
> > Cottonwood Pass, Kearsarge, etc.) and some of those areas have quotas.
> >
> > Access to Whitney from the eastern Portal side is the ONLY place I've
> seen
> > a ranger on the trail actively checking for permits and bear cans.  I've
> > heard that they make exceptions for PCT thru-hikers, but that's not
> > something I would want to leave to chance.  If a resupply in Lone Pine
> > using the Whitney Portal Trail is planned, it might not be a bad idea to
> > get the Whitney sticker.
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
> >>Sent: Nov 28, 2008 9:58 AM
> >>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >>Subject: [pct-l] permits
> >>
> >> In 2007 the park rangers at the inter agency ranger station in Lone Pine
> >> said you only need a Whitney permit if you are entering or exiting via
> >> Whitney Portal. If you are just making a Whitney detour from Crabtree
> >> Meadows "no permit required". I suggest that you resupply via Onion
> >> Valley. Who wants to carry a pee bag for the next hundred miles any way.
> >>
> >>Robert
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