[pct-l] Level playing field

[Tortoise]

Yawn.  I'll call it the way I see it.

I'm going to go watch the Olympics Opening Ceremony recorded then 
re-recorded for my viewing pleasure at the time of my choosing.

Tortoise

<> He who finishes last, wins! <>



Reinhold Metzger wrote:
> Tortoise, Tortoise, Tortoise,....have you been smoking something?
> If you want to argue that they hiked through a fire closure, fine.
> But don't use the argument that because they followed the actual trail instead of a alternate 
> route their record should not count.
> Taking a alternate route would be a stronger argument, because subsequent competitors might be 
> at a disadvantage if they fallow the actual route and the alternate route was easier.
>
> I you starting to see the light?
>
> Besides, they are not there yet...they have 9 days to go and may not finish, or fail to break 
> the record, or Switchback may beat them to the border, in which case you, JoAnn & Patty are 
> creating a big ruckus over nothing.
> Calm down and enjoy the excitement Scott & Joe are generating.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
> --------------------------------
>
> Tortoise wrote:
>
> Reinhold,
>
> You sidestep the point -- Scott and Joe went thru a trail closed because 
> of a forest fire. Maybe they had an exception from the forest service ??
> But they went thru an area closed to thru hikers when they were there. 
> This is the point.
>
> You and some others may consider this OK. I and others here don't.
>
> How do you know that Joe and Scott are "following the exact route"? Did 
> they even once glissade down a snow field instead of following the 
> switchbacks of the trail? Did they never loose the trail and when they 
> found it again just keep on going instead of going back to hike "the 
> exact route"? I don't care if they did or not.
>
> Tortoise
>
> <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
>
>
>
> Reinhold Metzger wrote:
>   
>> / Tortoise,
>>     
> />/ Old buddy....You and JoAnn seem to miss the point.
> />/ Scott & Joe are not out for a walk in the park.
> />/ Following the exact route on a record attempt KEEPS the playing
> />/ field level by them not having an advantage, over subsequent record
> />/ attempts, by not taking a perhaps easier alternate route.
> />/
> />/ Like Scott Bryce said  ''That is the nature of the trail. It is an 
> />/ unlevel playing field.''
> />/ There are ups and downs, some hikers encounter more snow or rain.
> />/ Some go UL some carry heavy packs.
> />/ Some wear running shoes, some wear waffle stompers.
> />/ Some eat hot gourmet food, some eat cold black beans.
> />/ Some have many zero days and trail town binges, some hike border to border.
> />/
> />/ Let's see now, how would JoAnn make a level playing field out off this 
> />/ diversity?
> />/ You would have to put a canopy and rope on each side of the trail from 
> />/ Canada
> />/ all the way to Mexico to ensure everybody follows in each others foot 
> />/ steps and
> />/ and is exposed to identical weather conditions.
> />/ Everybody would have to carry the same weight pack, take the same zero days
> />/ and eat the the same food.
> />/
> />/ Let's say JoAnn creates that level playing field, what criteria would it 
> />/ be based on?
> />/ I have an idea.....Scott  &  Joe are veteran PCT hikers so lets create 
> />/ this level
> />/ playing field based on Scott  &  Joe's criteria.
> />/ You better get used to minimal creature comforts and cold black beans.
> />/
> />/ You say you want your thick full length Therma Rest and hot gourmet food?
> />/ But Tortoise, you would be violating Scott  &  Joe's level playing field 
> />/ rules.
> />/ Ooohhh,...I see,....You and JoAnn want that level playing field to be based
> />/ on your and JoAnn's hiking criteria.....Still sounds like socialism to me.
> />/
> />/ I wonder if Scott  &  Joe would like to play on that kind of field?
> />/
> />/ I say.....''LET  FREEDOM  RING''....Let each hiker determine how he
> />/ or she wants to hike or play the game.
> />/
> />/ JMT Reinhold
> />/ Fierce defender of individual freedom and  HYOH  advocate
> />/
> />/ ----------------------------------------------------
> />/
> />/ Tortoise wrote:
> />/   
> />>/ Reinhold old friend,
> />>/
> />>/ Since when is playing by the rules or a level playing field considered 
> />>/ socialism or marxism or communism?
> />>/
> />>/ In most competitive endeavors, there are rules for the competition and 
> />>/ those that get caught violating the rules usually are usually 
> />>/ disqualified.
> />>/
> />>/ Scott and Joe's hike may be their personal best. HYOH doesn't mean the 
> />>/ rest of us have to approve of the hike or consider the record legitimate.
> />>/
> />>/ Tortoise
> />>/
> />>/ <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
> />>/
> />>/
> />>/
> />>/ Reinhold Metzger wrote:
> />>/     
> />>>/ Say Joann,  Why did the others not have the chance to do the same?
> />>>/ Did they post different signs with different instructions for the 
> />>>/ others?
> />>>/
> />>>/ Besides, this  ''level playing field''  sounds to much like Socialism.
> />>>/ Karl Marx was preaching it 100 years ago, they tried it in Russia and 
> />>>/ even there the playing field was not level....seems like it was a 
> />>>/ failure
> />>>/ wherever they tried to force it upon people.
> />>>/
> />>>/ Why do you thing it would be a success in a free society like the 
> />>>/ good old USA.
> />>>/ Free people like to choose for themselves the field they want to play 
> />>>/ on and what kind of games and at what intensity to play.
> />>>/ Not all people like to play the same game or play at the same 
> />>>/ intensity level.
> />>>/
> />>>/ I say...''Let Freedom Ring''...let people choose their own playing 
> />>>/ fields and games and intensity levels.
> />>>/
> />>>/ Besides, you might not like it, if under socialism, the ''level 
> />>>/ playing field'' the game and intensity were geared to Scott & Joe's 
> />>>/ level.
> />>>/ Would you be happy playing the game at their intensity level?
> />>>/
> />>>/ JMT Reinhold
> />>>/ Fierce defender of individual freedom & HYOH advocate
> />>>/ -------------------------------------
> />>>/
> />>>/ JoAnn wrote:
> />>>/
> />>>/ "what's the problem??"   ...Others didn't have the chance to do the 
> />>>/ same, i.e.,unlevel playing field.
> />>>/ are we there yet
> />>>/ JoAnn
> />>>/
> />>>/ ------------------------------
> />>>/
> />>>/ Andrea wrote
> />>>/ If they were allowed to continue through the "closed" area with out 
> />>>/ being
> />>>/ fined, arrested or hauled off the trail by the 
> />>>/ authorities.........what's
> />>>/ the problem??
> />>>/
> />>>/ PCT MOM
> />>>/
> /
>
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