[pct-l] Records?

Dan Larson dan.uhaul.larson at gmail.com
Fri Apr 4 18:06:31 CDT 2008 

Speaking of hiking your own hike... To change the subject, does anyone know
the records for supported and unsupported PCT thru-hikes? As far as I know,
David Horton did it supported in 66 days and Ray Greenlaw(?) did it
unsupported in 80-some days. I'm just curious. I'm a newbie to the list,
thinking about a thru-hike this year and for some reason people keep asking
me what's the fastest anyone's done it.

Dan "Uhaul" Larson


On 4/4/08, Trekker4 at aol.com <Trekker4 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Heed these words of wisdom from Dr Mohawkian, the  world expert on hiker
> cliques (not chicks - DOWN Monty & Reinhold) from  observing thousands of
> PCT
> hikers, cliqueing in her backyard. When stuck in the  same backyard - damn
> nice
> place to be stuck - for 3 days in '05, hoping for an  arch injury to heal,
> I got
> to really observe some of that behavior. I saw 2  hikers, one male and one
> female, who were ready to hike on, actually wait a day  or two until their
> fellow cliqueians were ready. In the AT shelter registers  there were
> almost daily
> notes: "Catch up, so-and-so", "We're waiting on you  so-and-so", or "I'm
> trying to catch my friends". Oh well, people are  people. Hike your own
> hike; the
> rest will work out.
>
> Bob  "Trekker"
> Big Bend Desert Denizen
> Naturalized Citizen - Republic of  Texas
>
>
> In a message dated 4/4/2008 9:53:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> dsaufley at sprynet.com writes:
>
> We  talked about this in the thru-hiker panel at Trail Fest -- how  the
> psychology of social attachments to one's group causes issues of  various
> types.  Trying to keep up with a group is one
> potential  hazard.  Separation
> from the group is another, sometimes devastating,  form of mental anguish
> that sometimes leads to people  quitting.
>
> Social bonding is a really powerful thing, and we see  "cliques" all the
> time, whether the members of the clique realize they are  in one or not.
> Separated from their clique, they are like fish out of  water, and don't
> assimilate easily into a new group (perhaps the new group  puts out
> subtle,
> unconscious barriers to potential new members).
>
> On  the panel, Basmati emphasized the need to be flexible in this
> and  other
> regards.  Don't let the desire to be with a group force you to  hike
> outside
> your physical limits, and be open to change should you need to  alter who
> you're hiking with -- or if you have to hike alone.
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: montypct  [mailto:montypct at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:51 PM
> To:  Donna Saufley; 'Robert W. Freed'; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re:  [pct-l] Trail Injuries
>
> Darn.  There goes those facts again messing  up my macho perceptions.
>
> This last year, I think it was Bill Person  (Pooh) said to an injured
> hiker
> simply, "Were you trying to catch  up?"
>
> No matter how much a hiker wants to stick with the group and hike  with
> their
>
> "Trail Family", it can't outweigh the facts of the  past.  "Trying to
> catch
> up" can lead to drugs (Ibuprofen) and destroy  dreams (the thru-hike).
>
> Monty
>
>
> Warner Springs  Monty
> Pacific Crest Trail 2650 Miles .....Again.....and Again
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> To: "'Robert W.  Freed'" <robert at engravingpros.com>;  <
> pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:43  PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Injuries
>
>
> > Well, I hope I can  give you an opposite view that is intended to help
> you
> > balance your  "push on" perspective.  Mind over matter is important, but
> > there  are limits and realities to deal with.  Years ago when I was a
> >  fitness
> > trainer, we always said pain -- real pain, not the "wah, wah,  I don't
> want
> > to do this" sort of thing -- is the way your body tells  you something
> is
> > wrong.  In my experience it is always best to  listen to what your body
> is
> > telling you, even if it's not what you  want to hear.
> >
> > Here at Hiker Heaven I've seen a fair number of  hikers who had to quit
> > hiking because they didn't listen to what they  bodies were telling
> them,
> > which is often slow down and/or stop and  rest until injuries heal.
> > Because
> > they pressed too hard for  too long and didn't take care of themselves,
> > their
> > hikes  ended. Stress fractures are the usual culprit, but shin splints
> and
> >  plantars also take their toll. It's very sad to see this happen.  It's
> > even
> > more ironic to see young healthy people who are so full  of energy and
> > strength but haven't learned how (or why) to pace  themselves get
> sidelined
> > with injuries while wizened old timers pass  them up, slow but
> consistent.
> > It's the classic case of the tortoise  and the hare.
> >
> > It takes time for the body to adjust to carrying  30 (or more) pounds of
> > extra weight, and for all the tendons and  ligaments to adjust to
> walking
> > many miles a day. Large muscle groups  adapt quickly, but training for
> > tendons and ligaments is a much slower  process.  You can blow yourself
> up
> > on
> > the first day if  you don't take it easy and hike within your limits.
> The
> > first days and  weeks should be a gradual process of allowing your body
> to
> >  adjust.  There's a price to pay for most when they're too fast out the
> > gate.
> >
> > So, I hope this helps you.
> >
> >  L-Rod
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:  pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> >  On Behalf Of Robert W. Freed
> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:40  PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Trail  Injuries
> >
> > Injuries are just a excuse your body makes to trick  your mind into
> > rationalizing giving up.
> >
> >  At least  that's what I'm telling myself this season.
> >
> >   Robert
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