[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 1, Issue 43
Susan Alcorn
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Sat Oct 27 13:25:22 CDT 2007
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Susan Alcorn
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> 1. Put A Detailed PCT Map on Your Web Site! (Postholer)
> 2. girls hiking (Meagan Roberge)
> 3. Great Quote (Paul Magnanti)
> 4. Re: girls hiking (g l)
> 5. Re: Great Quote (Brick Robbins)
> 6. Was great quote, now planning a hike (Jeffrey Olson)
> 7. Planning for a hike (Paul Magnanti)
> 8. Re: girls hiking (t.n. turner)
> 9. test.. (Jim and/or Ginny Owen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:20:36 -0700
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Put A Detailed PCT Map on Your Web Site!
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> If you host your own web site and know just a little html,
> here's a snippet
> of html code that will put a highly detailed Google map of
> the PCT on your
> site. The code snippet can be found at:
> http://postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=434
>
> Here's an example link, that may or may not get
> scrubbed by the listserv:
> <a href="#"
> onclick="window.open('http://postholer.com/gmap/pct.php','','
>
> toolbar=0, menubar=0, location=0, status=0, scrollbars=0,
> resizable=0,
> width=350, height=580');">PCT Map</a>This
> above is a simple, very detailed
> map without all the 'Places' data found on the
> monster map:
> http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php
>
> -postholer
>
> ------------------------------------
> Trails : http://Postholer.Com
> Journals : http://Postholer.Com/journal
> Maps : http://Postholer.Com/gmap
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:31:31 -0700
> From: "Meagan Roberge"
> <meagan.roberge at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] girls hiking
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I am sure that this gets asked all the time. I have done a
> search but
> haven't been able to find anything so here I am asking
> everyone here. I am
> a 28 year old female in good shape. I am preparing to hike
> part of the
> trail next summer over 6 weeks. How safe is it for me to
> be on the trail by
> myself? I am guessing that it is no more dangerous to hike
> by yourself than
> it is to travel in the US by yourself. I mostly concerned
> about sleeping in
> a tent rather than in a car or hostel.
>
> meags
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:42:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Great Quote
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> >>The plan is useless; it's the planning
> that's important."
> >>--- General Dwight D Eisenhower.
>
> >>I think that quote applies here.
> There is a military axion that also applies.
>
> The polite version is known as the 6 "P"s: :)
>
> Prior Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance
>
> ************************************************************
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> stardust
> caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
> http://www.pmags.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:50:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: g l <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] girls hiking
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Meagan- Here's my 2 cents.....
>
> Historically the PCT is safer to hike than the AT. Still a
> few precautions can help your chances of avoiding problems:
>
> -Wear a wedding ring and claim that your husband is hiking
> with a group "just behind you" if you are
> suspcious of a stranger on the trail.....or in town!!
>
> - Never tell a stranger how long you are hiking or where
> you plan on camping.
>
> - If you come to a road crossing and hear or see a car near
> the trailhead, hold back on the trail until it passes.
>
> I took all these precautions when I hiked the AT alone in
> '91 and still had a VERY scary human encounter. But my
> ring and story helped in a big way, I believe. That, and
> the grace of God!!
>
> Here's another one we didn't have in '91:
>
> - Carry your cell phone! Keep it handy but hidden!
>
> Hope this helps! Have a wonderful hike and don't let
> fear keep you home!
>
> Gail aka "Wheeew"
>
>
>
>
>
> Meagan Roberge <meagan.roberge at gmail.com> wrote: I am
> sure that this gets asked all the time. I have done a
> search but haven't been able to find anything so here I
> am asking everyone here. I am a 28 year old female in good
> shape. I am preparing to hike part of the trail next
> summer over 6 weeks. How safe is it for me to be on the
> trail by myself? I am guessing that it is no more
> dangerous to hike by yourself than it is to travel in the
> US by yourself. I mostly concerned about sleeping in a
> tent rather than in a car or hostel.
>
> meags
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:20:58 -0700
> From: "Brick Robbins" <brick at fastpack.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Great Quote
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> On 10/26/07, Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>The plan is useless; it's the planning
> that's important."
> > Prior Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance
>
> As un "PC" as war may be on a backcountry mailing
> list, there are a
> lot of similarities between planning and completing a thru
> hike, and
> planning and winning a war.
>
> From
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_von_Moltke_the_Elder
> with a few edits to make it fit the PCT
>
> [His] main thesis was that thru-hiker's strategy has to
> be understood
> as a system of options since only the beginning of a thru
> hike was
> plannable. As a result, he considered the main task of a
> thru hiker to
> consist in the extensive preparation of all possible
> outcomes. His
> thesis can be summed up by two statements, one famous and
> one less so,
> translated into English as "No plan survives contact
> with the trail"
> and "a thru hike is a matter of expedients."
>
> When I hiked the trail, I had a plan that I tried way to
> hard to stick
> to. I would have been a lot better off following the advice
> above, and
> rolling with the punches..
>
> All IMHO, YMMV.
>
> -Brick
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:41:27 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] Was great quote, now planning a hike
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> The first time I planned a long section hike - 75 days in
> 1992 - it took
> my girlfriend and I a full six weeks to gather food, plan
> drops, put
> food in boxes, label them for my folks to mail, etc. Now,
> I don't buy
> food til a week or so before the hike, spend three or four
> hours bagging
> it and then a couple hours labeling and boxing the bags.
> Granted, this
> is not a full 130 day hike, but last time it was about half
> that, and
> the times are accurate.
>
> I especially liked the time spent in the months prior to
> buying the food
> figuring out what I wanted to eat, calories I needed during
> what week -
> the first two weeks I needed far less food than the
> following weeks -
> making a master list, organizing my gear a couple times,
> and generally
> positioning myself at the brink of leaving one life for
> another.
>
> Nowadays, as I get older and it's harder to get in and
> and stay in
> shape, I'm starting my section hikes with a much higher
> likelihood of
> having to drop out - I had a sprained ankle cut my six week
> trip to a
> week last summer, and that was due to being overweight. My
> pack has
> been getting lighter and lighter - my base is now about 12
> pounds.
> However, planning will have to include a much more
> self-disciplined
> "getting in shape" period starting at least three
> months prior to
> starting a hike.
>
> I have friends who run marathons and their training regimen
> is cut and
> dry. There are all sorts of charts/calendars out there.
> Is there
> anything like that that's been researched for hiking
> long distances?
> Not being 28 any more is very wonderful, except in certain
> cases like
> long distance hiking... If I have to think about training,
> I tend not
> to do it.
>
> Jeff, just Jeff
> Martin, SD (The flyover zone)
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:02:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Planning for a hike
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> >>Is there anything like that that's been
> researched for hiking long distances?
>
> WEll, there's all kinds of planning. When I think of
> planning for a thru-hike, I do not think of a daily plan.
> Rather, I think of the whole process.
>
> Planning the kind of gear I am going to use, what kind of
> food am I going to take/eat, a rough idea of my pace, etc.
>
> I am, admittedly, a planner by nature. OTOH, I think any LD
> hiker who goes on a long hike without ANY kind of planning
> is opening themselves up for what could be a rather more
> interesting hike than originally anticipated.
>
> Of course, where on the spectrum of your own personal 6Ps
> (I prefer the 7Ps. :D) depends on each hiker.
>
> Some have meticulous spread sheets; some pick up a guide
> book a week before the hike and call it good. For each
> hiker, it IS proper planning.
>
> Ultimately, I think an LD hiker needs an odd combo of
> stubbornness (I AM going to hike the Sierra this year as
> planned ) and flexibility (but there is lots of snow this
> year, I think I'll skip ahead and come back!).
>
> >>If I have to think about training, I tend not
> >>to do it.
> To me, that is part of the proper planning. A LD hiker does
> not have to be in marathon shape, but being in general good
> shape before a long hike tends to make the hike more
> enjoyable than getting in shape on the trail.
>
> As Brick said YMMV, just my .02, HYOH, BINGO, etc...
>
>
>
>
> ************************************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little
> stardust
> caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
> http://www.pmags.com
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:41:48 -0700
> From: "t.n. turner"
> <barnumbaileypdx at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] girls hiking
> To: Meagan Roberge <meagan.roberge at gmail.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Hey Meagan,
> This past hiking season (spring/summer/fall) I hiked 1600
> miles, almost all of California and parts of Oregon and
> Washington (but I live up here and hike these two states
> all the time). I hiked by myself most of the time, there
> were some who really thought I shouldn't be and wanted
> to 'hike with me' for whatever reason. And
> sometimes I hiked with other folks, sometimes I chose it,
> sometimes it just happened. I can't think of any truly
> scary human moment while on trail.
>
> That said, I was careful about who I admitted I was hiking
> by myself to, groups of men that I didn't know - No, I
> didn't offer any information about my hiking partners
> or where I would be camping that night! Groups of day
> hikers/tourist, not too concerned about them and they were
> curious about what I was doing. I did get extremely tired
> of answering the same questions about my safety, my sanity,
> whether my parents/partner/husband/whomever "let
> me" do this, wasn't I scared/worried/etc. So other
> than that, I had a great time, met some absolutely wonderful
> people and truly enjoyed hiking and camping by myself. There
> were days that I was very happy to have someone to hike with
> and some that I asked someone to go on without me, but
> it's not scary out there until you get to where
> civilization is, that's where the truly scary people
> live!!
>
> I slept in a tent most of the time, small one person, under
> 2 pound tent. I did that because I hate bugs! Not too
> worried about snakes, scorpions, bears, cats, coyotes, but
> bugs, eeewww!! So, that's my 2 cents. Love the hike
> will finish it up next summer and probably try again in the
> near future for a true thru!
> Tammy
>
>
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:31:31 -0700
> From: meagan.roberge at gmail.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] girls hiking
>
> I am sure that this gets asked all the time. I have done a
> search but haven't been able to find anything so here I
> am asking everyone here. I am a 28 year old female in good
> shape. I am preparing to hike part of the trail next summer
> over 6 weeks. How safe is it for me to be on the trail by
> myself? I am guessing that it is no more dangerous to hike
> by yourself than it is to travel in the US by yourself. I
> mostly concerned about sleeping in a tent rather than in a
> car or hostel.
>
>
> meags
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:57:28 -0400
> From: "Jim and/or Ginny Owen"
> <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] test..
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> This is a test -
> This is only a test -
> If this were real life,
> I'd be on a trail -
> any trail, any place
>
>
>
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