[pct-l] Lightweaight vs. ultra lightweight

[montypct]

Hi Jeff

Guess I lost control.  Sorry.  You got me.
Translated without the sarcasm, I have met very few people who experienced 
ultralight for any length of time, if any at all, who were as criticle as 
the others I have heard who speak negatively about it.
I know very few ultralighters (2, Krunch and Nomilk) who did not start out 
midweight or heavier and also experience lightweight before experimenting 
with ultralight.
In Lightweight vs ultralight, ultralighters have experienced both and often 
extensively.
Those would be the people who's opinions I would value most in a comparative 
analysis.
I would like to hear from them on this thread.

There are many misconceptions about ultralight.  Ultralighters get past 
these.

There is no right or wrong as to one versus the other, just opinions.

"There is no right or wrong.  Just thinking that makes it so."  Wm 
Shakespeare

Anyone who has experienced both to any extent?

Warner Springs Monty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff.singewald at comcast.net>
To: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightweaight vs. ultra lightweight


> By any chance can you transcribe this for those of us that only use the 
> common form of English grammar?
>
> What in the world are you talking about here?  Is is a dig of sorts or was 
> this serious?
>
> Jeff  - Elevator
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
>> Hey Carl
>> I don't obsess either.  I'm just very, very, very, very, very, very, very
>> thorough.
>>
>> It's amazing how a seemingly normal backpacker can spend a few years 
>> going
>> lightweight and then spend a few years developing skills as an 
>> ultralighter
>> and then be so stupid as to prefer ultralight.   Must be a case of all 
>> these
>> guys being confused by too much experience with all phases, too many 
>> facts.
>> Then, even though they have plenty of experience as midweight and
>> lightweight backpackers, they don't have enough common sense to return
>> totally to midweight or lightweight backpacking.  Must be because they 
>> are
>> blinded by facts, because it often seems that those without the same
>> experience and facts are able to clearly see what's wrong with ultralight
>> and ultralighters.
>>
>> Warner Springs Monty
>> 5 lb. thru-hike in 2007
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Carl & Judy Rush" <elisenme2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "JoAnn M. Michael" <jomike at cot.net>
>> Cc: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightweaight vs. ultra lightweight
>>
>>
>> > I'm an utra light hiker, but I never obsess about anything. I never 
>> > even
>> > new
>> > there was such a thing as an ultra light hiker until 04 when I was at 
>> > the
>> > KO
>> > party with my youngest son to hike the trail that year. I entered the 
>> > best
>> > gear contest for the hell of it won and was declared an ultra light 
>> > hiker.
>> > I
>> > picked out what I considered the best gear for the PCT having already 
>> > done
>> > the AT I had some experience, but I had know idea what my pack weight 
>> > was.
>> > When I picked out what gear to use I just use logic, like why carry a 4
>> > lb.
>> > tent when you can carry a 1 1/2 lb. tent that has the same amount of 
>> > room
>> > in
>> > it.
>> > Carl
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/31/07, JoAnn M. Michael <jomike at cot.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I guess I will always be a lightweight hiker rather than an 
>> >> ultra-light
>> >> hiker because I can't see myself obsessing about weight as some folks
>> >> seem
>> >> to do.
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >> Bless you for having the nerve to say so!!  Hear, hear. The super 
>> >> light
>> >> guys have taught me a lot and they love their personal technique, but,
>> >> that
>> >> doesn't make the rest of us any less of hikers. We can even be
>> >> intelligent,
>> >> handsome/beautiful, funny and a down right nice person without 
>> >> obsessing
>> >> about a tenth of ounce!     :)
>> >>
>> >> are we there yet
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