[pct-l] diabetes on the trail
Janet Grossman
janetgr at cableone.net
Sat Jan 20 13:19:34 CST 2007
Reading Diabetic Don's & Switchback's comments on the low-sugar Detour bars,
I haven't tried these either, and wouldn't since they're whey protein and
I'm a vegan. But I'm also an insulin-dependent diabetic for over 30 years
and I'll be doing my PCT thru-hike this year with my insulin pump. I've been
wearing a pump for over 20 years, but haven't done any long-distance hiking
with it (which translates to: haven't done any long-distance hiking in that
long). When I did the AT in '78-'79, I was just doing 2 injections a day and
home glucose testing didn't yet exist. Anybody out there with experience
doing long hikes with a pump?
Janet
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> 1. Fw: Staying Warm... (Georgi Heitman)
> 2. Thirst is the Best Water Gauge (David and Cindy)
> 3. Re: Thirst is the Best Water Gauge (Mark Jernigan)
> 4. Re: Sonora Pass (montypct)
> 5. New PCT Forum (stillroaming)
> 6. Inflammation in the knees during PCT hike (Andres C)
> 7. Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 25 (Bighummel)
> 8. Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 25 (Craig Stanton)
> 9. Re: Seirus HyperLite StormSocks (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 10. Re: Neat Gear Items (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 11. Re: Inflammation in the knees during PCT hike (Jeffrey Olson)
> 12. Detour Energy Bars (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 13. Re: Detour Energy Bars (Don Line)
> 14. Re: Detour Energy Bars (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 15. Section Camping on the PCT (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 16. Re: Thirst is the Best Water Gauge (Marion Davison)
> 17. Lighter life style (Tortoise)
> 18. Re: Lighter life style (got milf?)
> 19. Bandanna for the Trail/Town (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 20. Now I Have Seen Everything (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 21. Re: Now I Have Seen Everything (Hippy Notify)
> 22. Re: Bandanna for the Trail/Town (Bill Batchelor)
> 23. Re: Lighter life style (Steve Courtway)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:42:30 -0800
> From: "Georgi Heitman" <bobbnweav at citlink.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fw: Staying Warm...
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: paul at bluebrain.ca
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>
> Subject: Staying Warm...
>
>
> This old, perpetual Girl Scout remembers that the first rule of keeping
> warm at night is to not sleep in the clothes you wore all day. Even on a
> cool day a person will perspire, and that moisture wicks to the clothing
> that the hiker has been wearing. Come nightfall and the hiker hits the
> sack, all that moisture in your clothing gangs on you, gets chilly and
> wants the you, the hiker to warm it up. Wearing dry clothing, including
> underwear, long johns are good, that hasn't been hiked in all day is a key
> factor in keeping warm at night. Also, the old adage that if your feet
> are cold, put a hat on your head really works...I usually get a stocking
> cap on well before hitting the sack. Oh, and speaking of sacks, if the
> sleeping bag being used is down filled, be sure to shake it out well, the
> down will fluff up (called 'lofting' ), can take 30 minutes or so. Then,
> whatever you do, don't sit or set anything on that lofted bag...just slide
> yourself down inside with as little ker
> fuffle (commotion) as possible. That nicely lofted down just snuggles in
> around you.
> My friend, Bill Davis is into light to ultra lite gear. Last night he
> showed me a bivy sack that couldn't have weighed much more than 2.5
> ounces. While it has mosquito netting, it doesn't have to be used, I
> don't think, a sleeping bag in something of that nature inside a tent
> should keep the skinniest guy warm. The website Bill uses is
> www.backpackinglite.com, I think.
> Oh, and a cuppa anything warm just before crawling into bed is good...hot
> chocolate is best IMHO. Come morning, he might start hiking in what he put
> on to sleep in plus clothing over it (the sleepwear being long johns, in
> my case anyway) By 10 A.M. or so, he should be warm enough from hiking to
> get out of the long undies. They can then be pinned to the back of his
> pack for an hour or two to dry out so that they can be worn again to sleep
> in. As for hiking warm, Bill has the lightest vest I've ever had on, and
> it should keep anyone warm and toasty. In snow, or extremely cold weather
> (think winter snow camping) I'd wear my down vest or a jacket over the
> long johns if I needed to. Bill's vest would work like a charm for
> sleeping in, I'd guess.
>
> So those are my tips...some have been around for 35 years or so...probably
> old hat and out of date by now with all the lite gear that's out there
> today. The website I gave you apparently carries patterns for gear that
> you'd like to own, but is too pricey for the average weekend hiker to buy.
> It even tells you where to buy the fabric and notions, like zippers and
> such. Sounds much like the old Frostline kits I mentioned a couple of
> weeks back. A good seamstress could put together the kind of gear your
> friend needs to have at a fraction of the price of buying it in a store.
> Good luck, Happy trails,
> Georgi, trail angel
> Old Station
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:10:41 -0800
> From: "David and Cindy" <hikeon at surewest.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Thirst is the Best Water Gauge
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> After reading this article a few days ago in our local paper I started to
> reevaluate the concept of hydrating on the trail.
> http://www.sacbee.com/296/story/108285.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:26:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mark Jernigan <footslogger03 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thirst is the Best Water Gauge
> To: David and Cindy <hikeon at surewest.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <727341.54163.qm at web39505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> I had some hydration concerns during my 2003 AT thru-hike. I discovered
> shortly into the hike that I was dragging fairly serious kidney stones
> along for the ride (or walk, in this case). Being somewhat bullheaded, I
> decided to try and compensate for the malady by drinking excess amounts of
> water, rather than getting off the trail to deal with the problem
> directly. Problem was that on top of the occaisonal renal symptoms I also
> found myself often lacking sufficient energy to keep knocking out the
> miles. Bottom line was that I was actually drinking too much water, which
> is a bit of a paradox to a distance hiker who is sweating like a race
> horse. I resorted to taking Potassium tablets, which did help somewhat
> and got me through the thru, so to speak.
>
> Three plus years (and 2 kidney stone operations) later I now routinely
> use the following suppliment when I hike:
>
>
> http://www.alacer.com/cgi-bin/dbsearch.exe?mdb=/products.mdb,tbl=products,DB_code=108,DBCOMP=ABS,template=/products/returntitle.htm
>
> I have found that I can drink as much water as I wish now without
> suffering that "washed out" feeling. The article you referenced pretty
> much agrees with this approach.
>
> Footslogger (Mark J)
>
> David and Cindy <hikeon at surewest.net> wrote:
> After reading this article a few days ago in our local paper I started to
> reevaluate the concept of hydrating on the trail.
> http://www.sacbee.com/296/story/108285.html
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:15:53 -0800
> From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sonora Pass
> To: "Bob Bob" <rew_us at yahoo.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>>I had the CREST bus that serves 395 stop and drop off
>> at the intersection of 395 and the road that does up
>> to Sonora Pass.
>
> In 2004 the busses ran Monday thru Friday.
>
> I flew into Reno on a weekend to hop back on the trail at Sonora Pass.
> Hitching from Reno to Sonora pass went well.
> My last ride even took me to the KM Pack Station to resupply and back to
> the
> trail head.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:02:43 -0800
> From: "stillroaming" <pct at delnorteresort.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] New PCT Forum
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> A new PCT resource is in town. It's called "Adventure on the PCT" :
> http://adventureonthepct.com/
>
> This is a forum hosted by a hiker known as Magnet, dedicated entirely to
> the
> PCT. It's very slick, stop in a check it out.
>
> Scott
> ------------------------------------
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>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:23:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Andres C <boogiman_007 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Inflammation in the knees during PCT hike
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Anyone here experienced inflammation in the knees while hiking the PCT?
> I know dumb question? but
> How did you deal with it? Take anti inflammatory pills and move along;
> stop at a town to have a doctor give you cortisone shot in the knee cap?
> Am 25, but years of playing soccer and basketball, have taken a toll on my
> knees. Am pretty sure inflammation will be something I?ll have to deal
> with, either by taking pills or getting cortisone shots (if it gets bad
> enough).
> How did previous hikers deal with this type of injury?
> Is trying hiking 2,600 miles a good idea when you know your knees are
> bound to flare up?
>
> dono.
>
> Dre
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:25:54 -0800
> From: Bighummel <bighummel at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] pct-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 25
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Ha, Switchback, you are so "5 minutes ago"!!! I got my spork years ago.
> Haaa, haaa, haaa (in a pirate-y type of way!)
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> In a message dated 01/18/07 08:47:32 Pacific Standard Time,
> pct-l-request at backcountry.net writes:
> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:44:51 EST
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Neat Gear Items
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc: carolwbruno at yahoo.com
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> I noticed at REI.com (item #737339) several weeks ago a really neat item.
> It is a spork, but has a knife feature too for only .2 ounces. I am
> going to
> get one before you do, so I can say I have one and you don't for the 2007
> campaign. I want to get one that is a bright color, so I do not
> accidentally
> leave it around the campsite.
>
> Also, I have already purchased the Seirus HyperLite StormSocks (REI.com
> #729120) that weighs only 3 ounces for XL. They will keep my feet warm
> at night
> in my shelter. And they will be great in the rain and snow (for snow
> with
> Yaktrax Pro grippers, REI.com #696146, 4-5 ounces) inside your footwear.
>
> Once again, the Trail Pirate, Switchback, has done a one-upsmanship on
> you.
> I am going to have some cool trail gear before you do.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:36:28 -0800
> From: Craig Stanton <craigstanton at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] pct-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 25
> To: Bighummel <bighummel at aol.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <7CAAB034-0110-1000-FEE5-47458EF96334-Webmail-10010 at mac.com>
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> Hmm I don't like it. With the spoon and fork at opposite ends you only get
> to can't switch between functions without getting your handle dirty.
>
> On Friday, January 19, 2007, at 12:28PM, "Bighummel" <bighummel at aol.com>
> wrote:
>>Ha, Switchback, you are so "5 minutes ago"!!! I got my spork years ago.
>>Haaa, haaa, haaa (in a pirate-y type of way!)
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 01/18/07 08:47:32 Pacific Standard Time,
>>pct-l-request at backcountry.net writes:
>>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:44:51 EST
>>From: Hiker97 at aol.com
>>Subject: [pct-l] Neat Gear Items
>>To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
>>Cc: carolwbruno at yahoo.com
>>Message-ID: <c6d.9c920a4.32e02b13 at aol.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>I noticed at REI.com (item #737339) several weeks ago a really neat item.
>>It is a spork, but has a knife feature too for only .2 ounces. I am
>>going to
>>get one before you do, so I can say I have one and you don't for the 2007
>>campaign. I want to get one that is a bright color, so I do not
>>accidentally
>>leave it around the campsite.
>>
>>Also, I have already purchased the Seirus HyperLite StormSocks (REI.com
>>#729120) that weighs only 3 ounces for XL. They will keep my feet warm
>>at night
>>in my shelter. And they will be great in the rain and snow (for snow
>>with
>>Yaktrax Pro grippers, REI.com #696146, 4-5 ounces) inside your footwear.
>>
>>Once again, the Trail Pirate, Switchback, has done a one-upsmanship on
>>you.
>>I am going to have some cool trail gear before you do.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:02:41 EST
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Seirus HyperLite StormSocks
> To: rellinwood at worldnet.att.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <c66.a9ca9bb.32e164a1 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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>
> _rellinwood at worldnet.att.net_ (mailto:rellinwood at worldnet.att.net)
> writes:
>
> The membrane is waterproof, they said, but the seams are not. They cannot
> call them waterproof, they said. I asked if I could seal the seams and
> they
> wouldn't comment.
>
> This is just for your own info, I thought I would pass on the results of
> my
> snooping.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------
> Very interesting. Actually, for me if they are just pretty much
> waterproof
> that is okay. If I were into heavy duty winter hiking, then I might
> think
> again.
>
> With some SnowSeal on my footwear and the storm socks, I should be okay
> if I
> run into a little snow on the trail.
>
> Thanks for the info, Switchback
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:43:56 EST
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neat Gear Items
> To: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <c06.f0ff8fd.32e16e4c at aol.com>
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>
> Thanks for the info on the spork. They did look a little short. I might
> go
> to the Extreme Ultra Light technique of using a Dairy Queen long white
> plastic spoon with a TI shelter stake (for extra strength) for eating.
> The Dairy
> Queen spoon probably weighs a few grams. :-)
>
> Switchback the Trail Pirate
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:14:13 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Inflammation in the knees during PCT hike
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <45B01B65.8010905 at olc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Hi Andre:
>
> Inflammation of the knees can have many causes. However, one of the
> primary non-injury causes is tight hamstrings and glutes. Yes, it may
> be the cause of your knee pain is tight buns!!!
>
> I've been told this can happen to people of all body types, but is more
> likely to happen if you have large muscles - if you're a big or stocky
> guy or woman. What happens is the tighter your hamstrings and gluteous
> maximi are, the more work your knees have to do they aren't designed to
> do. I had this problem and went to a sports doc at the University of
> Washington who gave me two exercises that got rid of the problem. A
> year later I was having foot pain, what I thought was plantar fascitis,
> and went back to him. He asked how long I'd done the stretches, and I
> said about a month, and then before playing tennis and basketball. He
> said that the cause of my foot pain was tight buns and thighs.
>
> It may or may not help to stretch, but won't hurt to try.
>
> The first exercise is to lie down on your back with your butt up against
> a wall, legs straight up. :Your legs should be straight. If they are
> not straight, move you butt back as many inchs as you need to straighten
> them. It's ok to have a little bit of pain in your hams and butt, but
> not a lot. You literally relax into this exercise and can feel your
> back loosen up as well as glutes and hamstrings. Hang out and stare at
> the ceiling for five minutes or so, three or four times a day.
>
> The second exercise is a little bit more complicated. Sit on the floor
> and cross one leg underneath the other so that the bottom of your foot
> tucks up against your butt. It should be fairly flat on the floor. If
> it isn't, get a pillow and sit on it to do the exercise. Take the other
> leg and put your foot flat on the floor on the top of your thigh side of
> the leg that's flat on the floor. If you've got nice and loose leg
> muscles this leg that crosses over should be straight up and down. If
> you have tight hamstrings and butt muscles, you won't be able to put
> your foot on the floor, let alone have your calf straight up and down.
> Do this three or four times a day, rotating right to left three times
> for each session.
>
> It takes about two weeks for the knee pain and inflammation to go away,
> if tight buns is your problem.
>
> Jeff, just Jeff...
>
> Andres C wrote:
>> Anyone here experienced inflammation in the knees while hiking the PCT?
>> I know dumb question? but
>> How did you deal with it? Take anti inflammatory pills and move along;
>> stop at a town to have a doctor give you cortisone shot in the knee cap?
>> Am 25, but years of playing soccer and basketball, have taken a toll on
>> my knees. Am pretty sure inflammation will be something I?ll have to deal
>> with, either by taking pills or getting cortisone shots (if it gets bad
>> enough).
>> How did previous hikers deal with this type of injury?
>> Is trying hiking 2,600 miles a good idea when you know your knees are
>> bound to flare up?
>>
>> dono.
>>
>> Dre
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:34:00 EST
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Detour Energy Bars
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <d49.34c8c9.32e17a08 at aol.com>
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>
> Has anyone out there tried the low sugar Detour bars? They have a
> DetourGo
> bars now that are supposed to all natural too. See _www.detourbar.com_
> (http://www.detourbar.com) .
>
> Thanks, Switchback
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:47:58 -0800
> From: "Don Line" <DON at roel.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Detour Energy Bars
> To: <Hiker97 at aol.com>,<pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <45AFB2CE.F238.0025.0 at roel.com>
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> I have not. But remember, sometimes while hiking, your blood sugar can
> get very low. I always carry glucose tablets (sugar pills) on any hike,
> long or just a few hour day hike. Low blood sugars are far more
> dangerous that a occasional spike. But then I'm an insulin
> diabetic....for over 27 years.
> "diabetic don"
> aka '4 times a day'
>
>>>> <Hiker97 at aol.com> 1/18/2007 5:34 PM >>>
> Has anyone out there tried the low sugar Detour bars? They have a
> DetourGo
> bars now that are supposed to all natural too. See
> _www.detourbar.com_
> (http://www.detourbar.com) .
>
> Thanks, Switchback
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:04:09 EST
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Detour Energy Bars
> To: DON at roel.com, pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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> _DON at roel.com_ (mailto:DON at roel.com) writes:
>
> I have not. But remember, sometimes while hiking, your blood sugar can
> get
> very low. I always carry glucose tablets (sugar pills) on any hike, long
> or
> just a few hour day hike. Low blood sugars are far more dangerous that a
> occasional spike. But then I'm an insulin diabetic....for over 27 years.
> "Diabetic Don" aka '4 times a day'
>
> ---------------------
> You are my hero. I take 3 shots a day in the stomach on the trail. I
> carry
> some glucose orange flavor tablets in my waist pack. By snacking and
> drinking as I hike, I seem to do well out there. Though I have to admit,
> doing a
> 15 mile day on the trail is like a normal hiker doing 30 miles a day.
> Very
> tough.
>
> Switchback the Gnarly
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:11:38 EST
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Section Camping on the PCT
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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>
>
> Our intrepid heroes Grizzly and Grumpy are section hiking the PCT. They
> have a great meal in the evening and finally turn in for a nice rest in
> their
> tent. They soon fall blissfully to sleep.
> Some hours later, Grizzly wakes up and nudges his trail partner.
> "Grumpy,
> look up at the sky and tell me what you see."
> "I see millions and millions of stars, Grizzly" replies Grumpy.
> "And what do you deduce from that?"
> Grumpy ponders for a minute.
> "Well, astronomically, it tells me that there are millions of galaxies
> and
> potentially billions of planets."
> "Astrologically, I observe that Saturn is in Leo."
> "Horologically, I deduce that the time is approximately a quarter past
> three."
> "Meteorologically, I suspect that we will have a beautiful day tomorrow."
> "Theologically, I can see that God is all powerful, and that we are a
> small
> and insignificant part of the universe. What does it tell you, Grizzly?"
> Grizzly is silent for a moment. "Grumpy, you idiot!" he says. "Someone
> has
> stolen our tent!"
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Another outstanding trail humor brought to
> you
> by Switchback the Trail Pirate
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:45:15 -0800
> From: Marion Davison <mardav at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thirst is the Best Water Gauge
> To: Mark Jernigan <footslogger03 at yahoo.com>, PCT List
> <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <45B03ECB.2030306 at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Mark Jernigan wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://www.alacer.com/cgi-bin/dbsearch.exe?mdb=/products.mdb,tbl=products,DB_code=108,DBCOMP=ABS,template=/products/returntitle.htm
>>
>> I have found that I can drink as much water as I wish now without
>> suffering that "washed out" feeling.
>>
> We also used Electromixs last summer. We hike during August when the
> Sierras are at their hottest, and I can get nauseated when I hike in the
> heat. We tried this stuff straight, but hated the taste. Then we mixed
> up a bottle with this and half-strength Gatorade, and felt like we had
> drunk a real powerhouse. I will continue to use this in the future.
> Marion
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:38:54 -0800
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Lighter life style
> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <45B04B5E.6080301 at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Sitting here this evening and wondering about hikeing's impact.
>
> Since your long hike, have you simplified your life, deliberately
> reduced the amount of your possessions or been more focused, or fewer
> activities but more involved in those that you do do? I'm not so much
> interested in those who choose to reduce spending just so they can hit
> the trail again.
> --
>
> ----------
> Tortoise
>
> <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
>
> I switched to Mac OSX rather than fight Windows
> Using Mozilla Thunderbird http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:51:25 -0800 (PST)
> From: got milf? <gotmiillff at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lighter life style
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <297217.34279.qm at web57914.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> It's not so much hiking that caused a lifestyle change, as I've never been
> into the gadget and big house mindset. I think hiking attracts a type of
> peep who are naturally drawn toward simplicity. The trail just shows them
> how.
>
> Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net> wrote: Sitting here this evening and
> wondering about hikeing's impact.
>
> Since your long hike, have you simplified your life, deliberately
> reduced the amount of your possessions or been more focused, or fewer
> activities but more involved in those that you do do? I'm not so much
> interested in those who choose to reduce spending just so they can hit
> the trail again.
> --
>
> ----------
> Tortoise
>
> <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
>
> I switched to Mac OSX rather than fight Windows
> Using Mozilla Thunderbird http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
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> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:30:09 EST
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Bandanna for the Trail/Town
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc: carolwbruno at yahoo.com
> Message-ID: <c34.bc859aa.32e1e9a1 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I found another cool thing I am going to get before you do. Since most
> of
> us use a bandanna around our necks anyway, this one does double duty.
> See
>
> _vargooutdoors.safeshopper.com/80/1348.htm?213_
> (http://vargooutdoors.safeshopper.com/80/1348.htm?213)
>
> The site has some other neat products and advise.
>
> Once again, Switchback, has our foxed you and is ahead of you getting
> ready
> for the 2007 hiking campaign.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:00:40 EST
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Now I Have Seen Everything
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc: carolwbruno at yahoo.com
> Message-ID: <d43.3d7abe.32e20ce8 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I guess if I knew I would be postholing all day in the Sierra snow melt,
> these might be neat to have. See .........
>
> _vargooutdoors.safeshopper.com/86/1198.htm?784_
> (http://vargooutdoors.safeshopper.com/86/1198.htm?784)
>
> But I would not let anyone know I was using them. I would just say the
> snow
> and ice did not bother me, because I was a gnarly thru hiker. :-) I
> wonder
> if they would work sleeping on a particularly cold night in your sleeping
> bag. You could put them between two pairs of socks.
>
> Switchback the Abdominal Trailman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:25:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Hippy Notify <hippynotttify at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Now I Have Seen Everything
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <19947.11106.qm at web59010.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> You've never seen these things before? My outfitter has sold them for
> years. Usually called Hand Warmers, they're a sack of some kind of
> powdered iron substance that heats up when you shake it. A chemical
> reaction that lasts several hours. The downside is they're heavy.
>
> Hiker97 at aol.com wrote:
>
> I guess if I knew I would be postholing all day in the Sierra snow melt,
> these might be neat to have. See .........
>
> _vargooutdoors.safeshopper.com/86/1198.htm?784_
> (http://vargooutdoors.safeshopper.com/86/1198.htm?784)
>
> But I would not let anyone know I was using them. I would just say the
> snow
> and ice did not bother me, because I was a gnarly thru hiker. :-) I
> wonder
> if they would work sleeping on a particularly cold night in your sleeping
> bag. You could put them between two pairs of socks.
>
> Switchback the Abdominal Trailman
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> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:41:35 -0800
> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bandanna for the Trail/Town
> To: <Hiker97 at aol.com>, <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <002701c73bd7$ed2dd600$6401a8c0 at OFFICE>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I thought about this bandana for a while myself. However, when I
> considered
> the size of the bandana folded in half I think it is too small. Think
> about
> a half size bandana being held out and driving in a car going by at 45
> miles
> per hour. I think the driver would see just enough to say, "what did that
> say? Hyper The Clown?... I don't want to pick-up THAT guy! What a friken
> NUT... Out here looking for a birthday party... What was he thinking".
> Seriously though, I think it may be too small. There is another version
> here that I think is more likely to function. Look to the bottom of the
> page on this link under "Freak Flag"
> http://lwgear.com/lwg-misc.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Hiker97 at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:30 AM
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc: carolwbruno at yahoo.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Bandanna for the Trail/Town
>
> I found another cool thing I am going to get before you do. Since most
> of
> us use a bandanna around our necks anyway, this one does double duty.
> See
>
> _vargooutdoors.safeshopper.com/80/1348.htm?213_
> (http://vargooutdoors.safeshopper.com/80/1348.htm?213)
>
> The site has some other neat products and advise.
>
> Once again, Switchback, has our foxed you and is ahead of you getting
> ready
> for the 2007 hiking campaign.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:18:21 -0800
> From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway at bpa-arch.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lighter life style
> To: "Pacific Crest Trail List" <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001801c73bed$d3f47610$8300a8c0 at stn128>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>>I'm not so much
>> interested in those who choose to reduce spending just so they can hit
>> the trail again.
>
>
> It's all about goals tortoise.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tortoise" <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> To: "Pacific Crest Trail List" <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:38 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Lighter life style
>
>
>> Sitting here this evening and wondering about hikeing's impact.
>>
>> Since your long hike, have you simplified your life, deliberately
>> reduced the amount of your possessions or been more focused, or fewer
>> activities but more involved in those that you do do? I'm not so much
>> interested in those who choose to reduce spending just so they can hit
>> the trail again.
>> --
>>
>> ----------
>> Tortoise
>>
>> <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
>>
>> I switched to Mac OSX rather than fight Windows
>> Using Mozilla Thunderbird http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
>> _______________________________________________
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