[pct-l] Trail Ales and stoves
montypct
montypct at gmail.com
Fri Dec 22 17:55:10 CST 2006
Hey Mike
The can can also go above the stove.
http://www.gossamergear.com/gossamergear/images/photos/Stove.jpg
Pot................................. 0.7ozs.
Tried it hiking last Spring. Worked OK. Still have some bugs to work out,
but my entire kitchen weighed just over an ounce.(1.1) including windscreen,
stove, and lid.
Warner Springs Monty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz at mve-architects.com>
To: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>;
<jeff.singewald at comcast.net>
Cc: "Alistair and Gail Des Moulins" <aandg at telusplanet.net>; "MONTE DODGE"
<montedodge at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Ales and stoves
> Outstanding.
>
> And I thought my appreciation of oilcans couldn't grow any further...
>
> Now my oilcan truly is "multi-function"!!!
>
> First, it gets YOU lit, then you light IT!
>
> Michael Saenz
> Associate Partner
>
> MVE & Partners, Inc. | Architecture + Planning + Interiors
> Irvine + Oakland + Honolulu
>
> 1900 Main Street, Suite 800 | Irvine, California 92614-7318 | T
> 949.809.3388 | www.mve-architects.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deems [mailto:losthiker at sisqtel.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:23 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net; jeff.singewald at comcast.net; Mike Saenz
> Cc: Alistair and Gail Des Moulins; Robert Ellinwood; MONTE DODGE
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Ales and stoves
>
> In response to Fosters beer, Oil cans, and uses for the empty can
> afterwards..
> Stove tests are very dynamic, and may not match one's expectations in
> every
> lab or campsite. In that, a small stove may out perform a large stove,
> in
> one situation, doesn't mean that it is more efficient or suitable to the
>
> hikers needs. My stoves are designed to boil water, and be fuel
> efficient;
> which means other stoves might boil the same amount of water faster..or
> with
> more fuel. The Fat Pika, in the pics, has been trail tested over many
> months
> by three long trail testers, and each one loves it. To date, no
> meltdowns,
> or blowups on the pad have occurred. It can boil 2 quarts or 1 cup in
> the
> same session. It's geared towards the hiker that needs to boil more
> water in
> a session than a pepsi, cat stove, or most any other alcohol stove can.
> This
> is where this one beer can alcohol stove stands alone in the wilderness.
>
> Below are the CDT tester's boil times compared with an MSR-XGK stove.
> 4:20
> dude..
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Stove Potsize Water Time to boil
>>> cups (mins:seconds)
>>> MSR smaller 5 14:45
>>> MSR larger 5 14:15
>>> MSR smaller 6 16:15
>>>
>>> FP3 smaller 5 9:10
>>> FP3 smaller 6 10:45
>>> FP3 larger 6 9:50
>>>
>>> MSR smaller 2.5 5:45
>>> FP3 smaller 3 5:45 (1oz fuel 7 mins total
>
>>> burn time)
>>> MSR larger 3 7:30
>>> FP3 larger 2.5 4:20
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz at mve-architects.com>
> To: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; <jeff.singewald at comcast.net>;
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:26 AM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Trail Ales
>
>
> VERY nice!!!
>
> How does the larger stove perform? I've heard from others that the large
> burner is less efficient than the smaller Pepsi or tuna can versions. I
> also did a (very) unscientific test on how well an oilcan would hold up
> to heat. I didn't.
> (I had to fish out the melted/burnt can out of a campfire pit)
> But it looks like you've managed to make it work!
>
> So does it burn more fuel per 2 cups of water than the traditional can
> stoves?
> How long till 2 cups come to a boil at, say, 10k?
>
> Michael Saenz
> Associate Partner
>
> MVE & Partners, Inc. | Architecture + Planning + Interiors
> Irvine + Oakland + Honolulu
>
> 1900 Main Street, Suite 800 | Irvine, California 92614-7318 | T
> 949.809.3388 | www.mve-architects.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deems [mailto:losthiker at sisqtel.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:09 PM
> To: Mike Saenz; jeff.singewald at comcast.net; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Ales
>
> Mike,
> After I drink a couple of the green label Oil cans, known to us as
> Foster
> Bitter around this canyon; I cut them up and make a stove out of the
> carcasses...You decide which is the better outcome.. It's the only beer
> I
> can tolerate coming out of aluminum...I prefer bottled beer, made with
> fresh
> snowmelt, and brewed by talented mountain dwelling elves... The Solstice
> is
> only a few hours away!
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/56167949
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/59312294
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Saenz
> To: jeff.singewald at comcast.net ; Deems ; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:19 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Trail Ales
>
>
> I agree. A regular Sierra Nevada is tastier than a REGULAR oilcan.
>
> However- try the rare, and much better "green label" oilcan!
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ult/oilcan/
>
> good stuff!
>
> I always pack one for the 1st night on the trail.
>
> Last May, at Saddle Junction above Idyllwild, "Smiley" and a few of his
> pack
> met up with me and after a few words he exclaimed" ..so YOU'RE Oilcan!
> You
> gotta show me that oilcan!" (see attached - sorry PCT-L, attachments
> don't
> go through). He snapped this pic and sent it to me after he completed
> his
> thru-hike.
>
>
>
> Michael Saenz
> Associate Partner
>
> MVE & Partners, Inc. | Architecture + Planning + Interiors
> Irvine + Oakland + Honolulu
>
> 1900 Main Street, Suite 800 | Irvine, California 92614-7318 | T
> 949.809.3388
> | www.mve-architects.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net [mailto:jeff.singewald at comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:05 PM
> To: Mike Saenz; Deems; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Ales
>
> Oilcan,
>
> Speaking of oilcans..... As I left Tehachappi and Highway 58 to begin
> the
> long climb up towards Golden Oak Springs this past summer I found
> Giddy-up,
> Paulie and Abondoner also heading out of town. We climbed out of the
> canyon
> together and decided we would meet up again at the spring. As I reached
> the
> spring I found myself craving a cold one as the "spring" was by no means
>
> golden at all. It was a cement cow trough at best with the incoming
> water
> dripping at about 1 liter every 2 minutes. Some time later Abandoner
> comes
> into camp and drops his pack and pulls out three OilCans (yep, the big
> uns!)
> and throws them into the through to cool down a bit. He hauled those
> oilcans out of Tehachappi as a surprise for Giddy-up and Paulie. Now
> that
> is what I call magic! What I would have done for one of them! But, off
> the
> trail, pour me a Sierra Nevada anytime over the oilcan. In fact, I was
> just
> up in Chico for the Thanksgiving hol iday a nd went out to the brewery
> and
> bought a case of the Celebration Ale and a case of the Brown Ale right
> off
> the packaging line. Nothing better!
>
> Elevator
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz at mve-architects.com>
>
>> I just tried the Sierra Nevada "Celebration" last Sunday.
>> I didn't care for it.
>>
>> Oilcans, people. Oilcans....
>>
>> Michael Saenz
>> Associate Partner
>>
>> MVE & Partners, Inc. | Architecture + Planning + Interiors
>> Irvine + Oakland + Honolulu
>>
>> 1900 Main Street, Suite 800 | Irvine, California 92614-7318 | T
>> 949.809.3388 | www.mve-architects.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
>> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Deems
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:35 PM
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] Trail Ales
>>
>> Mad Monte and I shared a pitcher of "Walking Man" Ale and pizza
>> together in
>> the Salmon Row Pub in Cascade Locks last June. Then we hiked up into
> the
>>
>> Eagle Creek Gorge for a great camping and photo trip. My all time
>> favorite
>> is the Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale, which is only available once a
>> year
>> around the winter solstice. I will soon crack one (or more) open, and
>> celebrate the solstice!
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Thought I'd reply to a less 'controversial' subject here. Not much of
> a
>> beer
>> drinker on or off the trail, but has anyone had any of the fine beers
>> from
>> the Six Rivers brewery in Mckinnleyville CA? ('Loaders light' a good
>> one)
>> Pretty good stuff, and plus Bigfoot is their mascot. I agree with the
>> comments
>> about New Mexico. I remember seeing a LOT of empties alongside the
>> roads,
>> this
>> could be a possible hiker income supplement! Scott
> &g t;
>>
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